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FWIW- the Menards ore cars are not bad for the $$$$.
The PRR are Menards, the LIRR is MTH. I plan on replacing the loads in all of them with real material.
Bob
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@RSJB18 posted:FWIW- the Menards ore cars are not bad for the $$$$.
The PRR are Menards, the LIRR is MTH. I plan on replacing the loads in all of them with real material.
Bob
@RSJB18, it appears from your second photo that the Menards ore jennies are narrower than the MTH, is that the case? If so, I wonder if they used the Lionel mold or made a mold from a Lionel car?
—Matt
@Matt_GNo27 posted:@RSJB18, it appears from your second photo that the Menards ore jennies are narrower than the MTH, is that the case? If so, I wonder if they used the Lionel mold or made a mold from a Lionel car?
—Matt
Matt- they are slightly smaller overall (height and width). But are well detailed except for the very plastic looking loads. I have some new RMT cars on order that should be in by early next year. I will be interesting to compare them to the others.
I don't have any Lionel cars to compare the Menards too.
Bob
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I wish some one made the wood ones
The new RMT ore cars are new tooling, but Walter told me the loads from the former Atlas/K Line/ RMT will fit the new cars. The Menards cars look to be the same size as the Lionel cars. Probably cloned as are the quad hoppers which are almost identical to the Lionel and Williams cars. The MTH cars are slightly longer then the K Line cars, but the inside width is the same. Loads from K Line will fit, but will sit lower due to the slightly shorter length.
The Menards ore cars are definitely clones of the Lionel cars. General dimensions are the same.
---PCJ
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The first ore jennies I bought were Lionel. When MTH offered the 227 Yellowstone (2-8-8-4 articulated), I jumped on it and also purchased a set of MTH jennies. They are wider, have more heft and are more prototypical to the DM&IR cars than the Lionel jennies. I sold off my Lionel collection and bought more MTH models. K-Line and Atlas ore cars rode too high on the trucks for my liking. Now after reviewing this thread, I may have to start looking for RMT jennies at trains shows. Gunrunner John, any thought of reducing your inventory?
Actually, I see very little difference between, Menards, RMT and Lionel jennies. I plan to stick with MTH. They represent a good base for future detailing and are a closer match to the Missabe cars.
So, I vote MTH
Missabe:
MTH:
I've spent the past few weeks making new crude ore loads for my 24 car fleet!
Time for a little action:
Cheers Dave
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Do any of these ore cars have remote operating bottom doors?
Charlie
@Choo Choo Charlie posted:Do any of these ore cars have remote operating bottom doors?
Charlie
No, sorry Charlie.
Well maybe these ore cars have swivel couplers and can be dumped with an automatic rotary car dumping system without uncoupling.
Charlie
I enjoyed looking at all the different ore cars in this thread. One thing I noticed was the capacities ran from 40 tons to 100 ton. You would expect different size cars since the iron ore density is probably about the same for the different ores. The last builder’s photo was particular interesting. The outboard wheel sets extend halfway out from under the car. Also the angle cock was in the center of the car above the coupler. At first I thought that might be main reservoir air to assist in dumping the car, but there was no angle cock where it normally would be, so the high cock must be the brake pipe.
@David Johnston posted:I enjoyed looking at all the different ore cars in this thread. One thing I noticed was the capacities ran from 40 tons to 100 ton. You would expect different size cars since the iron ore density is probably about the same for the different ores. The last builder’s photo was particular interesting. The outboard wheel sets extend halfway out from under the car. Also the angle cock was in the center of the car above the coupler. At first I thought that might be main reservoir air to assist in dumping the car, but there was no angle cock where it normally would be, so the high cock must be the brake pipe.
Good observation! Here is a link that explains ore car wheel spacing, high location of the angle cock and the braking system used by the DM&IR: https://www.trainorders.com/di.../read.php?11,4692483
Cheers, Dave
Here are the Atlas jennys with Kadees. Loads are steel blast media over foam. I like how the car body sits low on the trucks.
Malcolm Byrd (Brotherlove) caboose on the end!
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@Choo Choo Charlie posted:Well maybe these ore cars have swivel couplers and can be dumped with an automatic rotary car dumping system without uncoupling.
Charlie
No, the real ones have dump doors on the bottom. They aren't remote controlled. Most have a mechanical opener. I know on the ones here in the Marquette Range are opened by what's basically a powered wrench mounted on a cart, which is operated by a dock man. It's moved along the string of ore cars and stopped at each car. It's attached to the shaft on the car which opens the doors and dumps the ore into the pocket. Each ore pocket holds 4 carloads and from there it is dumped into the ship's holds.
Perhaps someone can mass produce an O scale ore car that has operating doors to discharge the ore on a model of an ore dock into a chute to a model of a freight ship.
Andrew
@David Minarik posted:Here are the Atlas jennys with Kadees. Loads are steel blast media over foam. I like how the car body sits low on the trucks.
Malcolm Byrd (Brotherlove) caboose on the end!
Nice. Does the shot represent Taconite?
@rail posted:Nice. Does the shot represent Taconite?
Yes. I don't know if the Bessemer used Jennys to haul taconite to NB or ore to the sintering plant. Maybe both depending on when they switched to hoppers. Anyway, I like how the loads look! It also adds some much needed weight to the cars as they have plastic trucks.
@falconservice posted:Perhaps someone can mass produce an O scale ore car that has operating doors to discharge the ore on a model of an ore dock into a chute to a model of a freight ship.
Andrew
I believe some one did that in H0
Matt I agree with you on MTH. I added stirrups and weatherd some of cars. I used poppy seed on styrofoam as taconite. The stirrups are made with .30 welding wires bent with needle nose pliers.
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All the chatter about ore jennies inspired me to add some missing stirrup detail to my MTH cars - THANKS! One down, 23 to go!
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all!
Cheers, Dave
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With this thread back up, here's a couple of pics of the Menard's ore cars - I lightly weathered the plastic loads, but not sure I like the way they came out. I may pull out the plastic and put some styrofoam in and then top with a real load.
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I have ore cars from Lionel, MTH, K-Line and RMT.
The RMT/K-Line cars are my favorite.
MTH
Lionel
Note that when you run a long train of these cars, there is a lot of coupler slack that is very noticeable when starting or stopping your train. Avoid abrupt starts and stops for sure.
Please post prototype pictures in the real trains forum...this topic is about who produces nice ore cars for the layout.
@Richie C. posted:With this thread back up, here's a couple of pics of the Menard's ore cars - I lightly weathered the plastic loads, but not sure I like the way they came out. I may pull out the plastic and put some styrofoam in and then top with a real load.
Sounds like a good plan! If Ore the size used in the Menards cars were Real, the first time it was dumped into the cars It might not just dent the sides and bottom, but actually break them wide open.
