That's right, just found out for $ 500.00 you can run the throttle of the 1225 Pere Marquette Berkshire !
Congratulations to the Steam Railroad Institute and the 1225!
http://www.michigansteamtrain.com/
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No one will "DRIVE' the 1225. Someone may RUN it, but no one will DRIVE it.
The term "drive" is used in Europe and England, but not here. In the United States an engineer RUNS a locomotive, he does not DRIVE it.
Lol...gotcha...
OGR Webmaster posted:No one will "DRIVE' the 1225. Someone may RUN it, but no one will DRIVE it.
The term "drive" is used in Europe and England, but not here. In the United States an engineer RUNS a locomotive, he does not DRIVE it.
Thank you! I hate it when people say that!!
Kramden said it best ...I drus a brive....no I meant I brive a dus....
we get it
rat
Yes, yes, it's me. I'm an engineer !!!
DARN, it's sold out
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J Daddy posted:That's right, just found out for $ 500.00 you can run the throttle of the 1225 Pere Marquette Berkshire !
Interesting that one can "run the throttle". I've always found it more enjoyable to "run the locomotive"!
OK you drive a car, it moves and stops so why aren't you driving a locomotive? Your doing the same thing on rails.
Rich,
I fear that your campaign regarding Run/Drive, is likely to end like the Lash up/MU issue
I do wish you Luck though, I agree with you on both issues
Doug
Let me turn my collar around and put on my stole; then I'll hear your confession, J Daddy. 
challenger3980 posted:Rich,
I fear that your campaign regarding Run/Drive, is likely to end like the Lash up/MU issue
This is not "my" campaign. On the contrary, this is the way it is.
NO ONE in the United States "drives" a locomotive. That's not me talking, rather it is 200 years of US railroad history talking.
I once suggested to some friends that there should be a town called Semantics (I thought New Jersey would be a great place as it sounds like the name of town that could really be in that state), and that all internet forums be modded from computers inside the city limits.
If I lived out that way i would gladly surrender 500 to RUN 1225.
well, it makes sense, the rails drive / steer the loco, so all the engineer does is run it,
Surf City Semantics has a ring to it.
How about Barnegal Light Semantics? The first order of business would be to correct the spelling of those who think it's "Barnacle."
Never mind all of that, I would be happy if we could get everyone to use to too and two, there their and they're, and your and you're correctly. 
If it helps, (it won't! 
) I have spoken with both locomotive drivers and engineers. Strange how the fireman retained the same title on both sides of the pond.......ANYWAY......yes, please send the $500 - I'll be there.
Dieselbob posted:Never mind all of that, I would be happy if we could get everyone to use to too and two, there their and they're, and your and you're correctly.
I wonder if they ever used your and you're correctly, even back in the days of yore?
Well I spend a lot of time in her cab. Glad to see others ready to help get us some funds
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Dieselbob posted:Never mind all of that, I would be happy if we could get everyone to use to too and two, there their and they're, and your and you're correctly.
How about LOSE and LOOSE? (If that bolt comes LOOSE it will fall off and you will LOSE it.)
PREVENTIVE and PREVENTATIVE. (Preventative is not a word.)
ORIENTED or ORIENTATED. (Orientated is not a word.)
Sorry...thread hijack complete.
J Daddy posted:All semantics aside the 1225 has really been a survivor. Well kept, restored professionally, and fun to see. Cannot wait to see her in action on June 4th, mark you calendars "gents"...hope to see you there. I only wrote drive to get your attention.
1225 is indeed a survivor and she's owned and managed by a great group of people. I had a chance to drive...er...I mean...RUN her once.
Well they drive in Europe, why not here?
This thread has been fun. Never hurts to smile once in a while.
Jim
In actuality, the term "driver," as it applies to someone who operates a steam locomotive, has been used in the United States in the past, but those uses are few and far between (See page 10 of Chas. McShane's Locomotive Up To Date for an example I quickly found).
John, maybe this time. I missed the last one by staying at Wild Bills so Burt could go.
Jim
A steam engine has at least four drivers......wheels, that is?
What term do they uses in Canada?
Dominic Mazoch posted:A steam engine has at least four drivers......wheels, that is?
Again, not true. Many early steam locomotive only had two drive wheels. The C.P. Huntington is an example most people would know.
Time to unleash my inner grumpy old curmudgeon:
NOBODY is "driving" *OR* "running" 1225 except the trained crew.
You are paying $500 for a "hand on the throttle" experience. Maybe they'll let you actually move it, and it will probably be a thrill of a lifetime, but the ones here that actually could run that locomotive would probably expect to be PAID. You will be keeping the handle warm for the engineer.
Matt Kirsch posted:NOBODY is "driving" *OR* "running" 1225 except the trained crew.
Not so. These "Throttle Time" events allow the participants to actually RUN the locomotive over a specific section of track. It may be as much as several miles of track. It requires a special FRA waiver and some other considerations, but it is much more than just putting your hand on the throttle and making short moves in the yard.
...the ones here that actually could run that locomotive would probably expect to be PAID...
I'm not sure what you are implying here, but FOR THE RECORD...
I have never been paid to RUN a steam locomotive. Never. Ever. And I never will.And you can take that to the bank!
Dominic Mazoch posted:What term do they uses in Canada?
The Canucks have a little Brit influence, but not much. Engineers are engineers, firemen are firemen, but cabooses have been called "vans" once in a while.
The way I understand it, (maybe too much reading?) Canadians use "railway" and "railroad", the Americans use "railroad", and the Brits use "railway", but the Brits used to use "railroad" way back when a steam locomotive was new-fangled technology. Clear as mud? As you were............ return to original thread.
Firewood posted:The way I understand it, (maybe too much reading?
Tell THAT to the Santa Fe RAILWAY! Or the Southern, or any other of the many American railroads that were known officially as "railways."
The Western Maryland Scenic Railroad has had many "hands on the throttle" events in the past. I have participated in a couple. The experience was expensive but was worth it in my opinion. And it made the railroad a little extra money. As Rich stated, it did require a special FRA waver to be obtained by the railroad. They gave you a well detailed instruction period and then the locomotive, in this case the 734, was yours to run for 30 or 60 minutes. One session I participated in was the locomotive only and the other they had a caboose. Having the caboose and not just the locomotive was neat because you could operate the "train" brakes and not just the locomotive brakes. The only operating rule was that the participants, myself included, could not operate the locomotive over their public grade crossings. Although I'm not sure if that was an FRA rule or their insurance providers rule. I was told that the railroad intends to continue the HOTT experience once they get the C&O 1309 up and running again. I assume the price will go up though.
smd4 posted:Firewood posted:The way I understand it, (maybe too much reading?
Tell THAT to the Santa Fe RAILWAY! Or the Southern, or any other of the many American railroads that were known officially as "railways."
True. Forgot the corporate side of things! Thanks!
The ATSF at one time was a" Rrailroad", but did go bankrupt in the 1890's. Was purchased by British interests. Wonder why the name change? BTW, ATSF stocks of the period had a lion printed upon them; another hint of British interest.
And the Valley Railroad in Essex, CT has a Hand of the Throttle program in spring and fall. After home study and class you get the run a diesel, steamer or both for an hour each.
Thought it was too costly but my wife, bless her, insisted so I participated last spring. What a blast!
Lovely part of the northeast and things for your significant other to do also, check it out.
Scotie
Dominic Mazoch posted:The ATSF at one time was a" Rrailroad", but did go bankrupt in the 1890's. Was purchased by British interests. Wonder why the name change? BTW, ATSF stocks of the period had a lion printed upon them; another hint of British interest.
So please explain away Southern. Colorado Midland. Saint Louis-San Francisco (Frisco), Chicago & North Western, Alton & Southern, etc., etc., etc.
Truth is, in the 19th century, the use of "railway" was very common.
J 611 posted:The Western Maryland Scenic Railroad has had many "hands on the throttle" events in the past. I have participated in a couple. The experience was expensive but was worth it in my opinion. And it made the railroad a little extra money. As Rich stated, it did require a special FRA waver to be obtained by the railroad. They gave you a well detailed instruction period and then the locomotive, in this case the 734, was yours to run for 30 or 60 minutes. One session I participated in was the locomotive only and the other they had a caboose. Having the caboose and not just the locomotive was neat because you could operate the "train" brakes and not just the locomotive brakes. The only operating rule was that the participants, myself included, could not operate the locomotive over their public grade crossings. Although I'm not sure if that was an FRA rule or their insurance providers rule. I was told that the railroad intends to continue the HOTT experience once they get the C&O 1309 up and running again. I assume the price will go up though.
I also participated in a "Hand on the Throttle" session at Western Maryland, however I did my session with the #502 GP30 diesel. I ran from the station up to the Narrows before the steam train left. Did several up and back runs, maybe about 3 or 4 miles in total. Lots of fun. Really want to do it with steam but the $$$, makes me hesitate. For $100, I was all over it!
After that, I had the rather rare opportunity to operate a PCC trolley at the National Capital Trolley Museum one afternoon...was the only guy there and once we got down the track a ways, the motorman handed it over to me.
The New Hope Valley Railway (Oops - there it is again), just outside Raleigh, NC, has had a very successful "Operate-a-Loco" program for many years. It is WAY more than just "putting your hand on the throttle." Participants get to highball on our four-mile main line, out and back, for an hour. If they're good, the qualified engineer on board might just sit back and enjoy the ride - the participant will be in full control of the engine by himself (although with qualified crew within arm's reach). The best $250 you'll ever spend!
Dominic Mazoch posted:The ATSF...Was purchased by British interests. Wonder why the name change?
Where the heck did you hear THAT?? The railroad was reorganized. A special master sold the railroad for $60,000,000 at public auction on December 10, 1895 to Edward King, President of the Union Trust Company, Victor Marawetz and Charles Beeman, all Americans, representing the Joint Executive Committee of the Santa Fe.
The next day, December 11, 1895, the property was deeded to the three men. On December 12, 1895 the Joint Executive Committee incorporated the Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway, and the three men deeded the properties to it.
To answer your questions, the name changed from "Railroad to "Railway" to reflect that it was a reorganized company. The British had nothing to do with it.
Thanks for the Santa Fe timeline, Steve.
British interests never owned any part of the Santa Fe.
And the story about the "British" lion? The November 1908 issue of the Santa Fe Employee Magazine ran a story about its heralds over the years.
“In 1894, the ‘big line (lion)’ trademark was used. This grew out of the fact that at the time the Santa Fe was considered the “big line” of the United States and it was advertised as ‘the greatest railroad in the world, with 9,346 miles of track.’ The lion was innocently placed at the top of a map of America. A few years later a number of American citizens in Indian Territory or Oklahoma maintained that a foreign country, the Dominion of Canada, was being advertised, and that the lion, standing on Canadian soil, represented the British lion, and was therefore a slight to the United States.”
Because of this, the herald was changed in 1898.
