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I can agree to an extent. But there is a point when rules can become obsolete and inane....and thus ignored by many until it becomes the norm. 

While I have no York experience I do have 1000's of major hobby shows over my years. and I know that the crowded isles of 1986, near chaos, to today's almost empty at times isles signal change.   But folks do not like change....it signals, at times, things they like are going away. York needs the change.

It's more the hypocrisy that bugs me in Rich's argument.  OGR Forum rules = good, follow them or risk being banned or get a "vacation" from the Forum.  York rules = silly and pointless and something that can be ignored.  Doesn't make sense to me.

And Nick has been to a whole 3 or 4 York meets, so I guess he absolutely must be correct that it's never busy and you can always ignore the arrows.  I will say the 2 or so times I saw him walking down my aisle in April he was going the right way by coincidence or accident.

I'll admit that as CW alluded to, I've also been guilty of sneaking down a short stretch of an aisle from time to time if I see something I missed on the first pass.  If I screw up and do it when a large crowd is on the way, I'll try to yield to them (or turn around and do a loop to get to where I intended) since they are following the rules.  It's the people who go the whole time and can't figure out why they keep bumping into people that are the head scratcher to me.

It's the making bold statements about violating the rules that is mind boggling.  I guess since there is no more to whine about regarding cell phones and cameras, this is the next whine-fest.

-Dave

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It's the making bold statements about violating the rules that is mind boggling.

Someone bragging about intentionally breaking the rules certainly does leave an impression.

I do get mildly amused (the first 20-30 times) by the nonstop continuous PA anouncements reminding the attendees that they must F-O-L-L-O-W THE AIR....ROWS ON THE..... FLOOR. Reminds me of the announcements in Elementary School.

The only thing funnier are the announcements asking a buyer to return to a booth to pick up an item he just bought.... "Now where did I leave that pesky Lionel Vison Line engine????"

Gilly

Must be like the principal of a school I drove a bus for......Everyday right before school let out he'd get on the PA.......

STUUUUUUU...DENTS!!...no running in the halls and NO running at the BUSES!!!

funny.....

The arrows on the floor are meaningless because one's attention is not drawn to the floor as one walks around looking at the items on the tables.  It's just like people who shop at grocery stores and don't look at the floor to notice that something is spilled.  If that person falls, the store cannot use the defense of contributory negligence because of the "attractive display" doctrine.  That doctrine holds that the store has created the situation to divert the shopper's attention toward the sides of aisles where the products are located which excuses the consumer from looking where he/she is going.  

 Originally Posted by Dave45681:

And Nick has been to a whole 3 or 4 York meets, so I guess he absolutely must be correct that it's never busy and you can always ignore the arrows.  I will say the 2 or so times I saw him walking down my aisle in April he was going the right way by coincidence or accident.

 

I'll admit that as CW alluded to, I've also been guilty of sneaking down a short stretch of an aisle from time to time if I see something I missed on the first pass.  If I screw up and do it when a large crowd is on the way, I'll try to yield to them (or turn around and do a loop to get to where I intended) since they are following the rules.  It's the people who go the whole time and can't figure out why they keep bumping into people that are the head scratcher to me.

It seems you have not fully read my posts. I've never professed to know the crowd trends over the show's history, in fact I've already stated I have no doubt they were way heavier in the show's "heyday". However it seems those bustling days have tapered off, much like the bandit meets. For the three Yorks I've been to, I can consistently say the crowds aren't even close to requiring arrows anywhere in the dealer halls. Sure they're still there, but thousands including myself don't bother with them. There's more than enough room for everyone to walk where they please and that simply isn't going to change.

Now as for the member halls, and again I'm only reiterating what I've already said before, the arrows are definitely still required. The aisles are too narrow for the typical crowd especially with the table holders sitting in them. However, for this particular meet, attendance was actually down to the point that there were some stretches where even those arrows became unnecessary. And when I purposefully walked against them, it was in the exact manner you admit to yourself, where I only needed to double back short distances for various reasons (missed items, saw a friend, etc.).

And that basically arrives back to my original anecdote that started this whole ridiculous 2 page soap opera. Attendance down this meet = Walked against the member hall arrows a few times and it didn't matter. That's all.

[Did I forget to mention the HUGE service I did the TCA by posting a virtual photo tour of the show and attracting potential new members?]

Some of you guys need to get a hobby 

I would say that both Rich & Nick never leave the Orange hall. Have either of you ever been in the blue or Red hall at opening? I doubt it. And bye the way, I always look down at the end of the isles to be sure I am walking the right way. But then there are those which don't like to follow rules.

I do visit every hall at least twice each show, but Orange is always my choice for opening. At this particular show, at the times I visited the member halls, there were a lot of stretches where the arrows could be easily dismissed. There was simply no traffic to bump into. I'd say I ignored them for short distances about 5-7 times for a bunch of different reasons. No one noticed or cared.

With the dealer halls I never even knew arrows were there to begin with, so I was disobeying those all day every day along with a couple thousand other folks.

Here's something interesting. I looked up the official TCA document of York Rules and found absolutely no mention of arrows whatsoever. Only the meet notice briefly mentions them once; here is the graphic:

So really it's not even an officially approved rule, it's just an informal suggestion. Heck it doesn't even say if it's a suggestion of the TCA Eastern Division or of the York Fairgrounds. A lawyer would have a field day with this stuff 

You're kidding, right? I attend a LOT of trade shows and train shows. This is the only place where the people running the show think I am too stupid to know how to walk in the hall!

If it's anything like the "Corvettes at Carlisle" show, you'll have a blast. No arrows to contend with either

EXACTLY MY POINT. This York meet is the only place where the "rules" try to tell me where and how to walk.

I can make a valid point for every rule we have here. Somone PLEASE tell me why I need to be told where and how to WALK! As far as "silly rules" are cocerned, how many YEARS did it take for the SILLY RULE about photography to be rescinded. And the world did not come to an end. How about that...

No, Eddie, I have never been in the Blue hall or the Red hall at opening. Why? Because going to York is BUSINESS for us. We spend many thousands of dollars to bring our staff to this meet to do a little business...and our business is in the Orange hall.

You keep staring at the floor as you walk the AISLES. I prefer to look at the people and the trains.

This thread has gone way off track. We're all done here.