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For the past several years, I have experienced intermittent problems with my TPCs and dz2500 switch machines. One day or hour they would work and the next they would not.

Recently I bought a new Lionel TPC but found the Lionel TPC would not work with an old pre-Lionel TPC and a dz2001 data driver (See my earlier Forum thread (11/19/11.)

A fellow club member Chuck (cjack) built an amplifier that is plugged into the serial output of the Legacy base. He indicated that generally a dozen TPCs and other data using devices such as the dz2001 can be driven reliably with it. We installed his amplifier on Friday and it appears to solve my problems. TPCs and switch machines that were not working or working intermittently are now working!

Chuck explained to me that the output of the new legacy command base was lowered from that of the earlier TMCC base and would not drive data through the old TPC, the dz 2001, and the new Lionel TPC at the same time. In fact, its output would drive only a few, less demanding devices. Based on this,it appears that strong, precise data was not consistently reaching my TPCs and or my dz2500s since I installed Legacy in 2008!


In hindsight, I could kick my backside for not realizing that my problems arose shortly after I installed Legacy. But the intermittent nature of the problems combined with things working fine when I removed the dz2001 fuzzed things up!
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I kinda want to say no. I was hesitating answering this, because I am not sure what function is lost. I am thinking that you are probably referring to a lost of signal between the hand held and the base. This booster will not help that. Nor will it help a loss of signal between the base and the engine on the track.

The booster amp will help if there is a loss of signal between the base and the TPC, ASC, etc...anything where the 2 wire cable connects the db9 connector of the Legacy base and the devices. The issue is that the serial output of the Legacy base is not capable of driving as many devices thru the 2 wire cable that the old command base could.

So if the loss of function from any of those wired devices is lost, it will help.

Originally Posted by cjack:

I kinda want to say no. I was hesitating answering this, because I am not sure what function is lost. I am thinking that you are probably referring to a lost of signal between the hand held and the base. This booster will not help that. Nor will it help a loss of signal between the base and the engine on the track.

The booster amp will help if there is a loss of signal between the base and the TPC, ASC, etc...anything where the 2 wire cable connects the db9 connector of the Legacy base and the devices. The issue is that the serial output of the Legacy base is not capable of driving as many devices thru the 2 wire cable that the old command base could.

So if the loss of function from any of those wired devices is lost, it will help.

Thanks.  it is a loss of signal between the handheld and the base. usually happens when there are a few people on their cell phones inside the club room. doesn't happen all the time.  usually just moving around will fix the issue. never hurts to ask.

Originally Posted by cjack:

I kinda want to say no. I was hesitating answering this, because I am not sure what function is lost. I am thinking that you are probably referring to a lost of signal between the hand held and the base. This booster will not help that. Nor will it help a loss of signal between the base and the engine on the track.

The booster amp will help if there is a loss of signal between the base and the TPC, ASC, etc...anything where the 2 wire cable connects the db9 connector of the Legacy base and the devices. The issue is that the serial output of the Legacy base is not capable of driving as many devices thru the 2 wire cable that the old command base could.

So if the loss of function from any of those wired devices is lost, it will help.

I have not experienced the same issues that others have when connecting the Legacy system to TPC's, Lionel Controller devices and the DZ2001 data wire driver. I used the three wire command cable because one of the seven devices I have installed is the ARC which needs the additional wire and also is first in line.

 

I wonder if this is the difference?

 

Also, I understand the weakness of the output of the Legacy base but since you may only control one or two devices at a time why would there be any issues?

I just installed the booster from Dale Manquen and it solved all my problems.  I'm able to set up 2 digit routes and control my DZ 2500 switch machines and routes through the DZ 2001 data driver and my TPCs, etc.  Terrific product that does the job!  If you're running Z Stuff DZ 2500 switch machines and TPCs like me - - 2 TPCs controlling 8 blocks and 27 DZ 2500s with 10 different routes through the DZ 2001 - - Dale Manquen's booster is the only way to go.

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