2009    PRR    CC2    0-8-8-0

Not to be confused with Century Club 2 (CC2 in some abbreviations) offerings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._Railroad_class_CC2s

Ok, ill bite, what vision line PRR loco was done in 2016?

NEVER MIND! IT WAS THE SCALE GG1 WITH SPARKING pantographs.

In 2009 there was also a UP Genset #2701… Thank you very much…. Later

Part of my confusion was thinking there was a new VL every year. 2009 4 came out and 0 in 2011? They don't make it easy. Side note on the Lionel website and search vision line there is a link for the 2016 release that goes no ware.

Was the 4-4-0 done in 2019 considered VisionLine?

They were not "labeled" as VisionLine in the 2019 V2 catalog; they were merely labeled as "hybrid."

Chuck

2009

6-11154 Pennsylvania 0-8-8-0 CC2 #8183

6-28306 GE Evolution Hybrid #2010

6-11155 Santa Fe 2-10-10-2 #3000(and 2010)

6-28314 3GS21B  Genset Switcher Union Pacific #2701

2010

6-28320 Canadian Pacific Evolution Hybrid #9860

6-11155 Santa Fe 2-10-10-2 #3000

6-11209 700E #5344 Hudson Black

6-11218 700E #5331 Hudson Gunmetal Grey

6-11210 Union Pacific Challenger #3967 Black/White Coal Fired

6-11220 Union Pacific Challenger #3989 Black/White Coal Fired

6-11211 Union Pacific Challenger #3976 Grey/Yellow Oil Fired

6-11221 Union Pacific Challenger #3983 Grey/Yellow Oil Fired

6-11219 Clinchfield Challenger #663 Coal Fired

6-28323 Norfolk Southern Genset Switcher #300

2011/2013(6-34683)

6-34672 PRR Centipede 5 Stripe #5833 & #5821

6-34683 PRR Centipede Single Stripe #5830 & #5818

6-34686 Centipede Demonstrator #6000

6-34673 Union Pacific #999 & #998

2014

6-11437 UP Big Boy #4014

6-11448 UP Big Boy #4012

6-11449 UP Big Boy #4004

6-11438 UP Big Boy #4017

6-11436 UP Big Boy #4005

6-11435 UP Big Boy #4018

6-11434 UP Big Boy #4004

2016

6-83165 GG1 PRR #4899  riveted

6-83166 GG1 PRR #4800  riveted

6-83167 GG1 Conrail Bicentennial #4800  riveted

6-82751 GG1 PRR #4913 PRR,

6-82749 GG1 PRR #4935 PRR

6-82752 GG1 PRR #4877 PRR,

6-82754 GG1 Penn Central #4828

6-82755 GG1 Amtrak #926

2018

6-85267 NYC Niagara #6001

6-84961 NYC Niagara #6013

6-84962 NYC Niagara #6023

6-84960 NYC Niagara #6005

6-84963 NYC Niagara Pilot #9999

6-58111 NYC Niagara #6019

1931210 Clinchfield #675 Coal Fired

1931220 D&RGW #3800 Coal Fired

1931230 D&RGW #3805 Coal Fired

1931240 Union Pacific #3975 Greyhound Oil Fired

1931250 Union Pacific #3977 Greyhound Oil Fired

1931260 Union Pacific #3985 Oil Fired

1931270 Union Pacific #3981 Coal Fired

1931280 Union Pacific #3717 Oil Fired

1931290 Union Pacific #3949 Oil Fired 49er Paint Scheme

2020

GS-1

2031430 #9999 Pilot

2031412 SP #4471

2031421 SP #708

2031422 SP #4403

2031411 SP #4470

GS-2

2031460 SP #4412

2031440 SP #4410

2031450 SP #4411

2031470 SP #4414(Lark)

GS-3

2031480 SP #4416

2031500 SP #4423

2031490 SP #4426(LAUPT special)

2031510 SP #4428(Golden State)

GS-4

2031560 SP #4439(de-skirt)

2031550 BNSF #4449

2031520 SPL #4449

2031530 SP #4449

2031540 Freedom Train #4449

2031640 Chessie Steam Special #4449

2022130 SP Stock Express Set #4457

GS-5

2031570 SP #4458

2031580 SP #4459

GS-6

2031590 SP #4460(Black SP Lines)

2031620 Western Pacific #481(Black)

2031630 Western Pacific #486(What If Gray/Orange)

2031600 SP #4462(Black)

2031610 SP #4467(Experimental SP)

2021

2131500 2-10-10-2 Santa Fe #3008 Valley Flyer

2131480 Santa Fe #3009

2131490 Santa Fe #3005 Black Bonnet

2131470 Santa Fe #3001

2022

2231460 N&W Class A #1218 Excursion Version

2231470 N&W #1238

2231480 N&W #1200 Prototype,

2231490 N&W #1210 WWII

2231510 N&W #1201 What If Passenger Scheme,

2231520 N&W Pilot #9999

2201290 N&W #1222 LCCA Exclusive

2231500 N&W #1211 Post 1945

2231690 PRR #1200 Vision Line Class A(Mr Muffins offering)

2023

2301050 LCCA Union Pacific Vision Line Big Boy #4023

2331250 Big Boy UP #4014 (Oil Burning)

2331261 Big Boy UP #4000 (Coal Burning)

2331262 Big Boy UP #4002 (Coal Burning)

2331263 Big Boy UP #4012 (Coal Burning)

2331264 Big Boy UP #4014 (Coal Burning)

2331270 Big Boy UP #4019 (Coal Burning)

2301050 Big Boy UP #4023 (Coal Burning)

2331290 Big Boy UP #4024 Greyhound scheme (Coal Burning)

2331280 Big Boy UP #4021 Greyhound scheme (Coal Burning)

2322040 Big Boy Super Set #4008 (Coal Burning)

2331600 Big Boy #4000 As Delivered Paint Scheme (Mr. Muffin's Custom Run) Big Boy Chalk (Coal Fired)

2024

2431010 Erie Triplex #2603 (Russia Iron)

2431020 Erie Triplex #5014 (Russia Iron)

2431030 Erie Triplex #5015 (Russia Iron)

2431040 Erie Triplex #5016 (Black)

2431050 Denver & Rio Grande #1090

2431060 Northern Pacific #4050

2431070 Virginian #701

2431080 Pilot #9999

2431090 Halloween #3131

2401330 Lionel Lines #2024 (Russia Iron)

2422010 Erie Vision Triplex Super Set #5016(Russia Iron)

2431850 Erie #5014 (Mr Muffin's Custom Run) (White Wheels, Russia Iron)

2431860 US Army Triplex #1944 (Mr Muffin's Custom Run)

2431WW1 US Army Trench Train #1917 (Mr Muffin's Custom Run)

@peter allen 072518, if you want, amend your post with these if you like.

Edited 12/12/2023 7:50PM

I believe that this is the complete list, I don't think I missed anything. If I recall correctly, I believe some of the GS Series engines may have not been produced due to a large offering of engines.

I'll have to do some more digging tonight, that's at least one of the Hybrids.

In 2011 v2 they had the PRR VisionLine Centipedes.

@rplst8 posted:

In 2011 v2 they had the PRR VisionLine Centipedes.

Yup, already on the list I compiled.

@peter allen 072518 posted:

Side note on the Lionel website and search vision line there is a link for the 2016 release that goes no ware.

I’ve often wondered what the primary business is of the company that developed Lionel’s search engine. I’m guessing lug nuts.

dumb question I know but what is a Des.

@wb47 posted:

dumb question I know but what is a Des.

I think it's supposed to be Diesel.  I think.

@ed h has a lot of lists done.  Not sure if he ever did just VL.

@MartyE posted:

I think it's supposed to be Diesel.  I think.

Correct! I am very dyslexic and often don’t see the mistake until some one else point is out.

@peter allen 072518 posted:

Correct! I am very dyslexic and often don’t see the mistake until some one else point is out.

No worries.

Aw heck, I just realized somehow I omitted GG1 on the GG1 engines. I bet when I was correcting something I backspaced over it. I'll try to clean up the list I made tonight so it is easier to read. Mind you, I was working on it around 11:30 or thereabouts. I think that explains why I missed the Challengers.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Yup, already on the list I compiled.

I haven't seen the original post get updated.

@rplst8 posted:

I haven't seen the original post get updated.

My reply post

Just up there. I do need to clean things up a bit. All the product numbers are correct, but the years are hard to see as they are at the end. I'll make it much neater and way easier to read when I get in at it tonight. I have to figure out if those little Gensets are and where they are hiding in what catalog. Until then, happy reading.

Original chart has been updated with new information.

List is updated.

I thought the 2-10-10-2 was the very first vision line engine? I feel like this is a false memory now.

@peter allen 072518 posted:

I thought the 2-10-10-2 was the very first vision line engine? I feel like this is a false memory now.

Peter, my memory is that the first two Vision Line engines were the PRR 0-8-8-0 and the Santa Fe 2-10-10-2 steam engines.  I have been searching online for confirmation but haven’t found any yet.  IIRC and I probably don’t, the diesel was announced separately after the two steam engines.

Well, the easiest way to confirm dates is to pop in the product number on the Lionel website. When I was looking into some of the items I wasn't too sure about, I'd search the name, then pop to their website and plug in the product number. The older stuff shows what catalogs they are from which are dates by year.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Well, the easiest way to confirm dates is to pop in the product number on the Lionel website. When I was looking into some of the items I wasn't too sure about, I'd search the name, then pop to their website and plug in the product number. The older stuff shows what catalogs they are from which are dates by year.

The product information on the Lionel website lists the “most recent catalog” the item was included in, not the first catalog or the original announcement date.  Many items were/are included in multiple catalogs.

****ETA****  It appears that the “most recent catalog” information is no longer included for items that don’t have 6-xxxxx item numbers.

I was typing the above edit when the following post was made.

@GregM posted:

The product information on the Lionel website lists the “most recent catalog” the item was included in, not the first catalog or the original announcement date.  Many items were/are included in multiple catalogs.

Yes, but if you put in the item number in the search bar for most of the older stuff, those starting with 6-##### it should give the catalog that it was first in.

So here is what the difference is like what Greg and I were saying. Older items will have the catalog listed, newer it won't. Let's use the GE Evolution Hybrid and the 49er(Clown Train) Challenger.

As you see, older items it says the catalog but the newer items it doesn't even list it.

Another thing too, if you search the web for the older catalogs, say "Lionel 2009 Volume II Catalog PDF", you should be able to get it to pop up. There may be an issue viewing it depending on which search result you try and view. I had that happen with the first search on the Signature 2010 that has all the big runs of Vision Line items. The second search result I was able to view though which is how I was able to finish off that list. As far as other older catalogs, not sure.

@peter allen 072518 posted:

I thought the 2-10-10-2 was the very first vision line engine? I feel like this is a false memory now.

They are both in the 2009 v1 catalog.

@rplst8 posted:

They are both in the 2009 v1 catalog.

It could also be because "Built to Order" maybe hadn't started? They probably over produced and had a good sized left over inventory. If you look around that time period, there are quite a few engines that jump a bit on catalogs for a few years. Now the only thing that jumps from catalog to catalog is any sort of rolling stock. I wouldn't have thought passenger cars would be one, but it has happened though rare. Almost always freight.

Lionel 2009 Signature Catalog <---Fixed link this should work

Here's a link to the 2009 Signature Catalog. It works on my phone, but no idea if it will work on a laptop or computer. Give it a shot.

Edited 10/26/2022 7:28PM, sorry traffic delay for an extra half hour.

We have retired Flash.

Support for Flash ended on December 31, 2020.

Adobe Flash Player End of Life

The above is what I get on the PC.

@vash44 posted:

We have retired Flash.

Support for Flash ended on December 31, 2020.

Adobe Flash Player End of Life

The above is what I get on the PC.

Yeah, I was afraid of that. I'll see tonight if I can get the other link for the PDF that works. I did that with the 2010 Signature. First time it wouldn't load, second link worked. I'll fix the link above once I get it figured out at home. Wait 6 hours or so.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4

There is still one engine missing from 2009. The missing engine is the 6-28314 UP Genset Switcher.

Both are in the 2009 v1 catalog. Trust me. I made a copy before flash quit working.

@TRAINMANTIM posted:

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4

There is still one engine missing from 2009. The missing engine is the 6-28314 UP Genset Switcher.

Yeah, the link that I posted that doesn't Flash anymore has it listed there. Thanks, I'll update later.

@MartyE posted:

@ed h has a lot of lists done.  Not sure if he ever did just VL.

I can generate an excel list to compare with what is up already. Just need a day or two.

Here is one for 2023: 2301050 LCCA Union Pacific Vision Line Big Boy #4023. It's been on the LionelSupport website for weeks now.  Pretty much gave away the surprise  that was announced last week.

For 2022 Mr Muffins is offering a PRR #1200 Vision Line Class A, Lionel item 2231690

@ed h posted:

I can generate an excel list to compare with what is up already. Just need a day or two.

Here is one for 2023: 2301050 LCCA Union Pacific Vision Line Big Boy #4023. It's been on the LionelSupport website for weeks now.  Pretty much gave away the surprise  that was announced last week.

For 2022 Mr Muffins is offering a PRR #1200 Vision Line Class A, Lionel item 2231690

Updated with these, and the link to the catalog.

To clarify all the uncataloged Vision Line engines, here is the list:

@Rider Sandman posted:

I’ve often wondered what the primary business is of the company that developed Lionel’s search engine. I’m guessing lug nuts.

Probably the same folks that messed up the lionelsupport.com website.  I work with IT/databases and in my opinion the lionelsupport.com website is just a total disaster. The old one was light years better. If I ever rolled out a website like lionelsupport.com I'd be kicked out the front door within a few minutes.