Scott has added the Tiger Stripe paint scheme to the reservation list for the SD7.... get your orders in if you wish to have those in production 
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If the demo units don't get enough reservations, then I'll reserve an SP black widow passenger unit, even though the Tiger Stripe switchers might be an alternative. Hopefully the passenger unit model will have that great look "ash can" top mounted light.
Is the only visual difference in a "passenger" SD7/9 (just the model, not a real one) the steam generator vents? Or are there other differences that distinguish the unit between freight and passenger?
seeing that they have FIXED PILOTS what are the Available Radius 2R ??" or 3R ??? 3 Rail Track??
Doug, I would say that the most obvious difference, after the short hood roof top breather and exhaust, would be the divided fuel and water tanks.
Lesser differences would be the steam pipe connector and the communicating pipe air hose.
Thanks Tom, I didn't even think about the fuel/water tank.
Originally Posted by Drew Madere:
seeing that they have FIXED PILOTS what are the Available Radius 2R ??" or 3R ??? 3 Rail Track??
Scott has previously posted, on the 3-Rail 027 Trains Forum, that the "design criteria" is for 072 curves in 3-Rail, however some folks have been able to have them negotiate 054 curves. These SD7/SD9 models bringing a bit longer than previous models of F/FP units offered by Sunset/3rd Rail, would most likely require 072 minimum curves.
Concerning 2-Rail, I would have no idea. You would have to ask that question over on the 2-Rail SCALE Forum.
To Hot Water:
As I have posted here recently I have been operating my FL9s and FP7s on Lionel 048 curves pulling or pushing 18" passengers cars from the front and rear of these locomotives and they all operate fine. So I did think that the SD9s will do fine as well.
I have even operated several of the MTH diesel models that on their box flaps say 054 operation and again they operate fine too. They all just are being cautious.
Well the FP7's did NOT come with fixed pilots 
So if you're using the standard swinging pilot with 3 rail couplers that came on the FP7's and FL9's, that is absolutely possible.
If your FL's and FP's have fixed pilots like I put on my FP7's, they absolutely will NOT negotiate an 048 curve The same will be true, even more so, with the SD7's. A fixed pilot with Kadee couplers is not going to make an 048 curve... no way. There is a huge difference in turning radius between swinging pilots and fixed pilots.
This (2 rail) three page thread deals with most of the Sunset current offering SD7/9. Answers a lot of questions and list the offerings. Click on the underlined phrase to link. Fixed pilots/3 axle trucks O72 and larger, (IMO, maybe larger).
Mike CT
Also this thread Discussion here on the fixed pilots and six wheel/3 axle trucks.
I am in for the SP tiger stripe passenger version if they do not make it I will get my second choice the Black Widow. nice engine.
I really like the Tiger Stripes. They were freight locomotives. I may someday repaint mine black and orange.
Needs a repaint, I guess. I did extend the orange stripes up on that cab platform - helped a little.
Originally Posted by Laidoffsick:
Well the FP7's did NOT come with fixed pilots So if you're using the standard swinging pilot with 3 rail couplers that came on the FP7's and FL9's, that is absolutely possible.
The 3 rail FP7s and FL9s did come with a fixed pilot. 3rd Rail hasn't done a swinging pilot diesel. The 3 rail coupler was accommodated by having a larger opening in the pilot, but the pilots are fixed.
As to the headlight detail on the SD7/9, it will be correct for SP. That's the character defining element on these much like the Hancock horn on the FL9!
Yes your correct on that I miss spoke/typed. I should have wrote swinging coupler not pilot. I posted enough pictures of my conversion I should of saw that lol It was a bit of a chore removing those tiny screws that held the coupler to the truck assemblies and their brackets.
Without that swinging coupler, they would not take an 054 or tighter curve.
Not sure off hand, but some of the SD9s and mebby an SD7 made it into Halloween paint before the scarlet and gray avalanche. If I can swing it after my other SD7/9 road name purchases, a BW would be most kool !
Originally Posted by hibar:
For you CB&Q fans why not mix and match both new Sunset offerings
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OK but, not in that "Chinese Red" paint styling. CB&Q SD7/SD9 units need to be in the original Burlington black with the "Way of the Zephyrs" on one side and "Everywhere West" on the other in that great script lettering.
Just got mine! UP #775. Absolutely beautiful, extreme detail and smooth running. Only problem is the Diesel engine sound does not work. The horn and bell are great but no engine roar. I am running it in conventional mode. I do hear a diesel idle sound in neutral when the bell is ringing but when I stop the bell, the engine is dead silent in forward and reverse. Maybe I need to install a battery. Anyone have any ideas what the problem may be?
SPDixon posted:Just got mine! UP #775. Absolutely beautiful, extreme detail and smooth running. Only problem is the Diesel engine sound does not work. The horn and bell are great but no engine roar. I am running it in conventional mode. I do hear a diesel idle sound in neutral when the bell is ringing but when I stop the bell, the engine is dead silent in forward and reverse. Maybe I need to install a battery. Anyone have any ideas what the problem may be?
If you read through the 3rd Rail SD9s are coming thread Scott answered that exact question.
Need a Cab controller to turn volume on/up
Hibar: One could quite authentically doublehead CB&Q SD7's/SD9's, as well as GP7's/GP9's, with CB&Q 4-6-4's and 4-8-4's. This was done with fair regularity out of Lincoln, NE to Ravenna, NE and Council Bluffs. IA, in the mid-1950's.
Hot Water posted:Originally Posted by hibar:For you CB&Q fans why not mix and match both new Sunset offerings
OK but, not in that "Chinese Red" paint styling. CB&Q SD7/SD9 units need to be in the original Burlington black with the "Way of the Zephyrs" on one side and "Everywhere West" on the other in that great script lettering.
So the last set of SD9s( order and delivered 1959) by CB&Q/C&S was delivered in the Chinese red scheme. So who is wrong here? C&S SD9 in Chinese Red would of been correct.
Would think the pairing of late delivery Chinese Red SD9's with"covered wagon" F's, which were retired in the mid-60's, would be quite "prototypical" (as we used to say!)
Well, so people don't have to hunt for the answer to the Conventional sound question, let me just say, I was surprised that the new sound system doesn't default to "sound on" in Conventional. It saves the last volume command in TMCC and that's what is played in Conventional. It's a very small oversight in what is a very nice system by ERR (Lionel) for us OEMs.
I have suggested a software update, but that is not going to help anyone until new models come out a year from now. Next time we won't turn off the sounds without turning them back on during our inspection.
The only solution is to find someone with a TMCC controller and track, and run the model in TMCC, and turn up the sounds, AUX1, 1,1,1,1 .
Mercer Junction in PA has come forward to say that he will help anyone that comes into his shop with this problem. Hat's off to David Minark.
I still think anyone that won't buy a TMCC setup is doing themselves a disservice. Great sounds, great features, lots of fun. CAB-1 Ls are only $150 or so. Legacy Controllers a little more. Go for it, it's your hobby!!!
Onward.
mark s posted:Would think the pairing of late delivery Chinese Red SD9's with"covered wagon" F's, which were retired in the mid-60's, would be quite "prototypical" (as we used to say!)
It would of been prototypical with either Chinese Red or Blackbird scheme. Not all the SD9/7s were repainted before the merger. In C& S case. the first order in 56( Blackbird scheme) stayed that way until after the merger. The CB&Q you have to know by road number if it survived with the Blackbird scheme, up to and after the merger( patch job).
Some dealers and customers are suggesting a rerun. Perhaps CB&Q in Chinese red would be one of them?
Any other suggestions?
Also, we have a customer in Cumming Georgia that is without TMCC ability. Anyone nearby that can help turn his sounds on?
Scott Mann
sdmann posted:Some dealers and customers are suggesting a rerun. Perhaps CB&Q in Chinese red would be one of them?
Any other suggestions?
Also, we have a customer in Cumming Georgia that is without TMCC ability. Anyone nearby that can help turn his sounds on?
Scott Mann
Scott
For CBQ/C&S it would be the 1959 delivery. Road numbers 831 and up. For CBQ itself you will have to be road number specific. Not all were repainted in the Chinese Red scheme. That will take some research to identify specific road number and not to repeat number produced by you .
Not to worry, as Scott's "Graphic Expert" already has Burlington Bulletins #47 and #48 "Special Duty", which cover anything and everything ANYONE would want to know about the SD7 & SD9 units on the CB&Q.
Hot Water posted:Not to worry, as Scott's "Graphic Expert" already has Burlington Bulletins #47 and #48 "Special Duty", which cover anything and everything ANYONE would want to know about the SD7 & SD9 units on the CB&Q.
Where can I get a copy of that?
Hot Water posted:Not to worry, as Scott's "Graphic Expert" already has Burlington Bulletins #47 and #48 "Special Duty", which cover anything and everything ANYONE would want to know about the SD7 & SD9 units on the CB&Q.
Thanks to your help, I have a copy of both of these issues too. We can certainly get very specific with correct road numbers!
As for additional road names that might make a good second run? Conrail, Penn Central, Burlington Northern, BNSF (even if it didn't make the cut last time), SOO, SP Grey and offer reruns of the ones that were popular and sold out now that people have seen them.
SD9/7/24 Burlington Bulletins are available here: http://www.burlingtonroute.org...in&button=Submit
Would also encourage membership in the BRHS if "Everywhere West", E5's, O5 4-8-4's, etc. hold interest !! Always looking for new members.
mark s posted:SD9/7/24 Burlington Bulletins are available here: http://www.burlingtonroute.org...in&button=Submit
Would also encourage membership in the BRHS if "Everywhere West", E5's, O5 4-8-4's, etc. hold interest !! Always looking for new members.
Thanks. Just ordered them.
sdmann posted:Some dealers and customers are suggesting a rerun. Perhaps CB&Q in Chinese red would be one of them?
Any other suggestions?
Also, we have a customer in Cumming Georgia that is without TMCC ability. Anyone nearby that can help turn his sounds on?
Scott Mann
If the EJ&E were offered I'd buy 2.
Tom
sdmann posted:Some dealers and customers are suggesting a rerun. Perhaps CB&Q in Chinese red would be one of them?
Any other suggestions? ......
Scott Mann
GG1 4877 posted:As for additional road names that might make a good second run? Conrail, Penn Central, Burlington Northern, BNSF (even if it didn't make the cut last time), SOO, SP Grey and offer reruns of the ones that were popular and sold out now that people have seen them.
Jonathan Peiffer .....
So .... does an attempt at a second run seem probable in the relatively not-too-distant future?
Jim
As I said to Jonathan last weekend, I was intending to order the SP tiger stripe SD-7 until Scott put the T&P 2-10-4 in Freedom Train colors. I can only have one of these and the 2-10-4 won out. If there was a second run and it included the SP tiger stripe SD-7 I would love to get one (as long as Scott did not produce a competing steam loco that I just had to have.)
Rolland
EBT Jim posted:sdmann posted:Some dealers and customers are suggesting a rerun. Perhaps CB&Q in Chinese red would be one of them?
Any other suggestions? ......
Scott Mann
GG1 4877 posted:As for additional road names that might make a good second run? Conrail, Penn Central, Burlington Northern, BNSF (even if it didn't make the cut last time), SOO, SP Grey and offer reruns of the ones that were popular and sold out now that people have seen them.
Jonathan Peiffer .....
So .... does an attempt at a second run seem probable in the relatively not-too-distant future?
Jim
A rerun would be interesting at least for Burlington/C&S/FWD/BN/BNSF.
CB&Q: By the merger the only SD7/9s in Blackbird scheme were
SD7 # 301, 311, 315, 318, 322, and 407 and 22 SD9s
C&S All SD7/9 purchased in 55 Remained in the black bird Scheme with the exception #828 which was rebuilt due to an accident and redelivered by EMD in the Chinese Red scheme. This engine was the first in the system .
SD9s purchased in 1959 came in the Chinese Red scheme and were the last SD9s produced.
BN era is were this get interesting. Some units were rebuilt with short hoods as either an experiment or after rebuild from accidents.
BNSF era: Four engines had been rebuilt as part of an upgrade program in 98-99 that was canceled with a down turn of economy in 2000 A good number of the SD9s remained in the BN colors and were never repainted. There were four SD9-3's in service as of late 2013. They have a later spartan cab with low nose grafted on. They are numbered 1550-1553 and are remote units.
C&S #828 was modified with a plow/pilot in the front due to its assignment to the Climax Branch and operated on it until the branch was turned into a tourist line in the 1984.
So for modeling purposes CB&Q SD9/7 road numbers that made it to the merger in blackbird scheme should of been in the initial run. This would of allowed for 50s,60s, and early 70s(Patch Jobs) If I had been advising.
Chinese red scheme:
C&S Road numbers 831-846 1959 Delivery 59-mid 70s era
CB&Q road numbers assigned to the Lincoln Division SD7/9 as a good number did not get repainted until 68-69 in other divisions. 60s-mid 70s era.
BN. Some were repainted right after the merger but most were repainted by the mid 70s This would have to be road number specific.
C&S Same issue but with some additions. (C&S above the road numbers on the front and back) in 79 all C&S units received BN numbers.
BNSF. SD9s only, SD7s were long gone. most remained in the Cascade Green scheme until sold of or scraped. from what I could find only about 10 real SD9s made it into the BNSF scheme the other 4 were the SD9-3s. As of today the four SD9-3 are BNSF on the roster but are in storage..
EBT Jim posted:sdmann posted:Some dealers and customers are suggesting a rerun. Perhaps CB&Q in Chinese red would be one of them?
Any other suggestions? ......
Scott Mann
GG1 4877 posted:As for additional road names that might make a good second run? Conrail, Penn Central, Burlington Northern, BNSF (even if it didn't make the cut last time), SOO, SP Grey and offer reruns of the ones that were popular and sold out now that people have seen them.
Jonathan Peiffer .....
So .... does an attempt at a second run seem probable in the relatively not-too-distant future?
Jim
one Conrail
sdmann posted:Some dealers and customers are suggesting a rerun. Perhaps CB&Q in Chinese red would be one of them?
Any other suggestions?
Scott Mann
ConRail for me, too. Just one.
