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I just visited Micromark & The Public Delivery Track to look at track prices and both are now selling #5 turnouts for $94+. I think before I'd pay that much for an Atlas,I'd buy a turnout from Signature Switch or O Scale Turnouts,Inc. Are Atlas' prices going up due to a lack of production from China due to COVID-19,or is this just another price increase? If just a standard increase,Atlas may as well get out of the O market as painful as that'll be,but how many of us modelers can stand sales like this with future increases inevitable? Prices in other scales are way up there too,but these increases in O Scale are putting a choke hold on O Scale for an average modeler modeler like me. Just my opinion,hope I'm wrong.

As always,

Al Hummel

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I get sticker shock all the time. You should have seen the price increases in G scale for track a decade or so ago. I would drive up to the train store and argue with my girl about buying a box of track on sale. She thought I was crazy. A year later, the price tripled! (or more?)

I can only say if you don't like the prices, don't wait. They only go up! As far as this price, I haven't "paid" attention. I will "pay" for that I know! 

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I just visited Micromark & The Public Delivery Track to look at track prices and both lolare now selling #5 turnouts for $94+. I think before I'd pay that much for an Atlas,I'd buy a turnout from Signature Switch or O Scale Turnouts,Inc. Are Atlas' prices going up due to a lack of production from China due to COVID-19,or is this just another price increase? If just a standard increase,Atlas may as well get out of the O market as painful as that'll be,but how many of us modelers can stand sales like this with future increases inevitable? Prices in other scales are way up there too,but these increases in O Scale are putting a choke hold on O Scale for an average modeler modeler like me. Just my opinion,hope I'm wrong.

As always,

Al Hummel

Well i dont know where you have been the last several years but thats the going rate for switches from Ross to Lionel. You want new then pay new prices.

Gargraves isnt that far behind either.  What were you thinking the cost of a switch was...$50.00?

 Funny thing is many of your constituants would act like sheeple when it comes to cost of track, switches, power, and signals - the important foundations for a model railroad- yet wouldn't BLINK for a $300.00 joe fisher passenger car or a$1000.00 articulated unpainted brass steam locomotive.

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If cost is a consideration (it was for me) I recommend building your own turnouts.  In addition to the cost saving you will find handlaid turnouts look and operate better than the Chineese made ones - and you'll have the satisfaction of knowing you built them.  In hand laying turnouts you have quite a few options ranging from filing and fitting pieces of rail to create points, frogs, and guard rails (Fast Tracks jigs can speed the process)   to using beautifully detailed cast nickel silver points, frogs, and guard rail castings from outfits like Right-O-Way.   Given the large number of turnouts on my railroad I used castings for the critical components and to save time did not install tie plates or spike the rail at every tie.  Those are time/cost/appearance trade-offs you'll get to make.    

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I thought MSRP on those was closer so $120, so that's a good deal.

The hobby as a whole is just getting more costly.  My N gauge buddies are upset at passenger cars going for $40 each for them.  I remember when O passenger cars were $50 each 15 years ago, now they go for 3 times that new.  That's just the way things are now.

Cost IS consideration for me. I have 6 Atlas turnouts. I bought them many years ago when they were $50 a pop. I can't afford $94 a turnout. So I invested in a Fast Tracks turnout gig. Also I have picked up (NOS--New Old Stock) Old Pullman turnouts at swap meets and I found some used turnouts which I got 8 for $75 from eBay. Just pointing out there are alternatives to the high price of turnouts.

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One thing for sure, they are quality products, possibly your dealer can bend the price down a little bit. I purchased mine from Dixie Union Station just outside of Cincinnati Ohio. I also bought my Ross Switches from him. 12 to 15 years ago.  One thing for sure, at today’s prices, I would have a lot smaller layout. Almost everything related to building a layout, lumber, homasote, roadbed, Track, Scenic detailing, paint, screws, tools, magazines, videos, you name it, prices have increased a lot. Your track investment is critical as to how your trains operate, a long lasting purchase. However, remember, it’s an Investment in Fun, there’s nothing like our Hobby, Model Railroading. BC57A9A9-FBFC-4C95-AC0D-195686B2BA03C2494FF1-D84C-4461-A908-7A05C6C45ACD

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I have a hard time paying that for an Atlas switch as well.  I decided to buy from Signature Switch (USA Made) when I came across six #5 switches new in box on ebay for $45 each shipped from one seller.  I got super lucky. 

I had already decided I had to spend $600+ for the switches for my upcoming layout.  I usually keep a strict budget on my trains...and this helped tremendously.  They don't come up often on the board for sale in 2 rail, but I look daily for 2 Rail equipment on many selling platforms...never know when a deal is out there.

I have a hard time paying that for an Atlas switch as well.  I decided to buy from Signature Switch (USA Made) when I came across six #5 switches new in box on ebay for $45 each shipped from one seller.  I got super lucky. 

I had already decided I had to spend $600+ for the switches for my upcoming layout.  I usually keep a strict budget on my trains...and this helped tremendously.  They don't come up often on the board for sale in 2 rail, but I look daily for 2 Rail equipment on many selling platforms...never know when a deal is out there.

Wow, you got a super deal there Andy! Awesome!

@Alan Hummel posted:

I just visited Micromark & The Public Delivery Track to look at track prices and both are now selling #5 turnouts for $94+. I think before I'd pay that much for an Atlas,I'd buy a turnout from Signature Switch or O Scale Turnouts,Inc. Are Atlas' prices going up due to a lack of production from China due to COVID-19,or is this just another price increase? If just a standard increase,Atlas may as well get out of the O market as painful as that'll be,but how many of us modelers can stand sales like this with future increases inevitable? Prices in other scales are way up there too,but these increases in O Scale are putting a choke hold on O Scale for an average modeler modeler like me. Just my opinion,hope I'm wrong.

As always,

Al Hummel

Alan,     I don't mean to be rude, but it is what it is. My suggestion would be to start buying what you need a bit at a time as you can afford it, because it is not going to get cheaper as time goes by. I bought my flex track by the box which made it cheaper per piece. You already have switch prices. so unless you can find some on the secondary market, the prices are what they are.

code 148 flex is available from Atlas in 40 inch lengths and Microengineering in 36 inch lengths.

 

Good Luck,

Simon

Just wanted to second what Keystone Ed mentioned near the top of the thread.  Building a turnout is not impossible.....for decades, that is all we had.  I have never used the filing guides, but I can see where that would speed things up.   You can make any size switch you need, in any size rail with any size tie and curved turnouts are a real space saver.  There are so many articles on "how to".  I know it is alot quicker to just take one out of the box with tie plate detail etc....but building has its advantages especially if you are doing a layout of any size.  If you can navigate the internet, you can build a turnout.

I noticed the right hand #5 at Micro Mark is the only one at $94.95. The left hand #5 is $62.95. And the left and right #7.5s are each different prices. I have a few on a small switching layout and a few I haven’t installed yet. However, going forward, I’m leaning towards purchasing a Fasttracks jig and making my own. Probably should have done that from the start.

 

 

I have been making my own turnouts using the Fast Track jigs for years as I wanted to use rail smaller than code 148.  I wrote this piece back when I had more time and thought I’d share my findings after I laid about half my track. If I had to do it again, I would have used ME code 100 flex track to save time.  Building the turnouts is really quite easy after you have done a few!  
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I have been building my layout’s track using Fast Tracks components.  If you’re a frequent and lengthy reader of this forum you may recall I lost my last layout to a fire and had to start from scratch.  I wanted O standard and as I was in On30 and was able to salvage some locomotives and rolling stock rolling stock, some On30.  A back woodsy theme dictated code 100 and 70 for the narrow gauge.  I looked at ME track and turnouts in both scales.  It seemed very pricey especially when I would need custom made turnouts in O and On30 (except for #5). After a lot of thought I decided to try the Fast Tracks system and went “all in”.  (remember, the jigs bring good $$ on eBay when you are done)!!!

I purchased jigs in O standard (code 100 branchline) of 36”, 40”, 42” and 48” curves as well as straight and # 4.5 and # 6 turnouts.  In On30, I purchased (code 70 branchline) #4, #5, #5 wye, # 6, and # 6-3 way.  Also a straight and curves of  22”, 24”, 26”, 28”and  30”.  I mention all these because had I to do it again, I would not have purchased so many different radii jigs.  The turnout jigs (for me anyway) are a must as they allow a fine working turnout to be made over and over in about 45 minutes.  Get the frog and point tools as well as they save a lot of time. I’m using light code 100 and code 70 as I am modeling an old, back woodsy outfit.  Also, I think the smaller rail makes the tighter curves I have look broader.   

As to the curved track I would still get a jig for 36” (O) and 22” (On30) as this is tightest used radius and it is critical to have consistent. For the second radius in O I would get 44” and the other 2 in On30, at 26 and 30, saving the cost of 2 jigs. (In O a jig has 2 radii and in On30 3)  This saves the cost of 2 jigs.  You can also save the cost of a Wye jig as I made this one using the left and right sides of a 4.5 O scale turnout.  It was not a fast as using a jig, but I only needed one

Here’s how you can do more with less:

As I started laying the O standard track, I used to make an easement for a 40” curve, for example, by using the 48” jig to attach about 4 ties, then the 42” for the next 4 and then down to 40” and then back at the other end. I then found using Fast Tracks sweepsticks and a couple of track gauges after soldering only the inside rail  of the curve to the PC board ties in the jig gives you much more flexibility for easements and variable radii curves.  You can also make any curve you need to fit your situation this way using track gauges with the one rail soldered. I find this results in much more natural looking track curves and is a lot faster. Except for the accuracy needed for minimum radii you could actually get away with using just a straight jig.  See video below:

http://youtu.be/oU-ZbQlObN8

Track and roadbed alignment: what I’ve learned.

My sub roadbed is what used to be called ½ inch plywood with homasote on top. I use cork roadbed but do not like the commercial stuff as it’s too thick. I buy rolls of 1/16th inch cork at Michaels, Ace or wherever I can get it on sale and cut it into strips 1 ¼” wide, half the total width needed (10 scale feet) with my power miter saw.

Here’s where it gets interesting

The basic premise of the Fast Track system is soldering NS rail to PC board “ties” for alignment and strength. The PC ties are spaced at the same spacing on all their jigs and tie racks of the same type, i.e. Mainline, Branchline and Siding (in O). I use Branchline which works out to 5 wooden ties between every PC tie. In theory one loads up the “tie rack” with wooden ties, leaving out every 5th tie for the PC tie, then presses some masking tape to the tops of the ties. You then pull the whole strip out and place it on the cork you’ve laid down on the homasote and then set the rail and PC ties down onto the wooden ties and glue or spike. Easy, right?  Well for straight track it is because a straight line drawn with ruler is always straight and everything will line up fine. The only straight track I have is in my small 4 track yard at one end of the run with the turntable, fuel and water facilities and enginehouse. The rest of the layout has curves. The problem comes because of this basic premise. No matter how carefully you measure and mark it is nearly impossible to get the wooden ties lined up with the PC ties and the edge of the cork roadbed and everything centered under the rail, all at the same time. The masking tape is not that flexible and it also blocks your view of any centerline you have. I’ve tried thin masking tape, plastic electrical tape and nothing seems to help. As you bend the strip of ties to follow the curve, the ties lose their spacing to the PC ties. Using slow setting glue for the wooden ties allows some time to monkey around getting everything lined up, but it’s very time consuming. Note the spacing of PC ties and wood ties and how in the last photo it's gone awry! See below:

 

I now do it this way.

Assemble your rail and PC ties exactly how you want the curves to lay and place this on the homasote and lightly clamp in place so it cannot move.  I then use a little wooden jig to slide the marking pen between the rails for a center line.

Remove the rail and using water based Weldwood Contact cement (no stink or getting high with this stuff!) spread a thin coat on the homasote and the cork. Once dry carefully apply one side following the centerline and then the other. Get it right because you only get one shot at it. I tip the cork so its edge follows the center line then lower it to final position. Once down, run a wallpaper edge roller over it. Done. Prior to laying the track I run a 6” long sanding block over it to get it smooth.

 

Put the rail with the PC ties down joining it to the last piece laid and use a clamp to gently hold it in place. I now place a wood tie centered with the help a little wooden jig between the PC ties attach it to the cork with CA.

 

 

I spike these in place so I can remove the clamp. I can now run a train over the new track to see how everything works. Later I use the same spacing jig for the 2 ties needed to fill the gap. See above.

I spike every second tie with the smallest micro spikes I can find where they are visible. I use bigger spikes on the non visible side. Don’t worry about the different thickness of the wood ties and the PC ties as that will disappear with the ballasting.  With the On30 rail, the PC and wood ties are the same thickness.

Turnout control:

I use Caboose Industries HO scale high switchstands which I find exactly correct in O scale. To control frog polarity I attach a micro switch under the switchstand with an extension up through a hole that is activated by the sliding bar of the stand. See video attached: 

http://youtu.be/5zF3cW_MHFg

Staining Ties:

I hate the smell of Minwax Stain and it takes forever to dry so I use a homemade stain using black and dark brown India Ink in 92% alcohol.  Do yourself a favor and wear latex gloves!  I mix up about 4 different shades in those old rectangular plastic salad containers you get your “Spring Mix” in.  Dump the ties in and swish around until they are evenly coated and colored to your satisfaction.  You need to play around with the ink/alcohol ratio so I start with just alcohol and add ink until I get the right opacity tested by dipping a bare tie in.  Do the same with the colors-mix the brown and black to get some variation.  I use an old sieve to pull the ties out and shake off as much of the excess stain as I can.  They dry faster and you stain more ties per box.  Dump them on newspaper with couple of layers of paper towels (no, NOT your i-pad, Stanley!) and spread them out so they are just one layer.  I then run a wad of paper towels over them rolling with a back and forth motion to get the excess dye off.  They should be ready to use pretty quickly.

Painting the PC ties and rail.

I pour some Polyscale roof brown or Tamiya medium brown into 3 small cups and add a little black to one and white to the other and mix, then brush these shades on the PC ties of assembled rail. On the rail I use Floquil rail brown (stinky) but have ordered Micro Lux rail brown in acrylic.

Ballast.

I make my own using a fine ground garnet stone they make hard pan toads with in the area where my summer camp is and use different sized sieves to remove the large rocks.

 

That’s about it. I have found the Fast Tracks system to be of the highest quality, easy to use and they are delightful people to deal with.   Like with everything, you learn tricks as you go along.

 

A few musts:

You should use Micro Engineering rail as others will not fit the slot in the assembly jig properly. You must wash off the rail and PC ties with soapy water after or you will get a lovely green

Patina on the rail and ties and the paint won’t stick to the ties or rail.

You must wash out your jig occasionally with a stiff NYLON brush so everything lines up correctly.

You must use a good quality solder and flux. I prefer my resistance soldering station as the tweezers heat both sides of the rail web quickly. Now if I could only devise a way to hold two pieces of solder at the same time…………….!

 

Have fun and now go build something!!

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I hope this might prompt some of you to try to "roll your own" turnouts......

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

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