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I recently picked up a used Pennsylvania Texas type 2-10-14 (6-28078) steam engine at a train show.  When I tried the engine everything works well except, no smoke.  I checked Lionel web site and found it came with a mechanical smoke unit.  When I took off the engine cover, I found a motor driven smoke unit which seemed to have been added to the engine.   I can see three items that seemed to have been added, Lionel smoke unit, circuit board and a item to check well rotation.  

The question I have is, from the pictures below, can anyone tell me what I have. Whatever information someone can provide would be helpful, so I can try to fix the smoke unit.IMG_3076IMG_3078IMG_3075IMG_3079

Thanks,

Bob D

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  • IMG_3076: Circuit Board
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  • IMG_3075: Lionel smoke unit
  • IMG_3079: Device monitoring wheel rotation
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Looks like you have what looks like a 3rd party smoke controller and a standard Lionel smoke unit.  I'd guess a TAS unit, but I don't recall seeing one in exactly that configuration.  It looks someone tried to cobble together a working chuffing smoke using the fan control board with the Lionel smoke unit.  If it was done correctly, it should work.

To untangle what you have, it would be best to draw a diagram of how the smoke unit and that board is wired, maybe we can make sense of it.  Also clear pictures of the smoke fan control board so we could read any silkscreened legends would be a big help.  Does the board have any brand name on it?

My solution would be to rip out that chuff control board and install my Super-Chuffer, you'd get a documented solution to chuffing smoke performance, smoke at idle, and some neat lighting features as well.

Hi John

Below is a wiring diagram of how the smoke unit is wired.  The only designation on the back of the unknown circuit board (smoke controller) is BBC-C /  S4U-0 (see pictures).  I will most likely get one of the  Super-Chuff boards, but first want to make sure the smoke unit is working.  This is my first time messing with smoke units, so I have a few questions.  From looking at the diagram, I am assuming power for the fan and 27 ohm resistor is provided from the J2 connector?  If I want to test the Smoke unit, would I unplug the fan controller connector from the upper left corner of the smoke unit and connect the fan leads into the upper left connector of the smoke unit?  

Any thoughts of who made the smoke controller board is appreciated.

Also, is this smoke unit a candidate to replace to 27 ohm resistor with a 22 ohm.

Thanks,

Bob D

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Smoke unitIMG_3083IMG_3084

 

 

 

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  • Smoke unit
  • IMG_3083: J2 jack on engine
  • IMG_3084: unknown board

It looks like the board is just running the fan, the smoke resistor is powered directly.  You can replace it with a lower value if it's the stock 27 ohm one, I'd certainly run the checks that George suggests and verify what you have. 

It looks like they're powering that board from the 5V regulator on the smoke unit, if so they may be overloading that puny regulator.  It can barely run the smoke fan, running more logic may be calling on it to do more than is possible.

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