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Here's an idea I have for Walter at RMT and I'm wondering how many of you BEEP/BEEF owners and fans out there would be interested. For me, the four-wheel chassis is the heart of the appeal. I love the little single-truck passenger cars, and I have no interest whatsoever in running the BEEP/BEEF with ordinary 027 cars. So, here are my suggestions:

 

1. Currently only two two-car passenger sets are available for the BEEF. An ABA diesel set looks kind of strange pulling four cars. I'd like to see a third set, with different numbers, so I could run a longer train without duplicates. This could be either a coach/coach set or a coach/diner. The only difference between a coach and a diner would be the interior. Oh, and Walter - I still think you should fill the gap between car numbers 665 and 667 on the B&O set. I'm still thinking of renumbering one of them and adding "THE BEAST" underneath. Maybe you could market that car as a separate item, outside of the sets.

 

2. Create a universal 4-wheel freight car chassis and make short freight cars to run with the BEEP/BEEF. These would be about the size of old-style European freight cars, but with American styling. Here are some photos of European tinplate cars to give examples of what a shorty car would look like. 

 

What do you think, folks? Should we tell Walter there's a market for more shorty cars?

 

The first three photos are tinplate trains by ETS of the Czech Republic. Top row is original Euro-market cars with four-wheel chassis. Second row is some U.S.-market cars that have been modified by substituting K-Line trucks and removing the buffers. Bottom row is a couple of scale-size U.S. cars: Atlas composite hopper, K-Line pickle car, Weaver reefer. Second picture is the rest of the two display trains; last is a closeup of the Urquell beer tanker. By the way, Budvar is the Czech name for the original Czech/Bohemian beer called Budweiser, from which Annheuser-Busch stole the name. 

 

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These cars are by Merkur, also from the Czech Republic. Top one is a beer reefer, bottom is a really nifty little hopper or ore car.

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Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

 . . . make short freight cars to run with the BEEP/BEEF.

 

 

I made my own short cars for the "BEEPWorld" loop on my layout, where nothing longer than a BEEP is allowed (I've recently made an exception, though, for WBB ten-wheeler locos because they run so smoothl, so slowly, on O-36).  In the foreground are shortened tanker and boxcars (along with a BEEP modified into a cabless booster) all quite easy to do, just cut a section out and glue back together, and paint.  On the second line back, there is a BEEP modified for mainline passenger service with three short passenger cars made from two Lionel Western and Atlantic passenger cars (6-31569) (two cares were similarly easy to do - just cut and glue, but the third was a bit more difficult because I had to glue together the sections from both others and then fashion a third set of car ends).  Third line back shows three short flat cars (all scratch made with Atlas trucks).  Easiest of all - just a flat rectangle of flywood covered with model planks.   Shortened, they look natural with the BEEPs.DSCN0163

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SW H,

  What are you using for padding under neath that PilsnerUrquel tank car? Is that carpet padding?  I'm looking for something firm like that rather than loose peble.

That is an old piece of Vinylbed, a product which is no longer made. The same company is making a similar roadbed product called Flexbed, or Flexxbed, or something like that. 

We already produce a range of 10 different 4 wheel wagons in the Darstaed range, John Hoover of Trainshoover.com has pleenty in stock.

We are also at this moment making another 8 different wagons here in Australia, these too, will be available through John. He's in Florida.

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The Heinz van is one of the 8 now being made here in Australia.

No 4 Burgoynes Van 3Qview

This Australian Wine van is already in stock in the set of 10 available in the US now.

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I like your line of goods wagons and am considering buying a couple from Hoover. From a larger perspective, this doesn't really answer what I am looking for, which is a rolling stock equivalent of the BEEP/BEEF locomotives, i.e. a set of American-style rolling stock that would mirror the BEEP/BEEF concept, which is American rail equipment shrunk to a four-wheel chassis.

 

The Darstaed products are fated to be a tiny niche of the American market. There are some neat graphics, but the English-style couplers and DC locomotives are a major obstacle to any kind of market acceptance. Speaking for myself, I happen to have one or two English-style ETS couplers lying around the shop, so I can cobble-up an ETS transition car and pull Darstaed wagons behind an ETS locomotive. How many Americans can do that? And how many Americans are going to bother converting a 3-rail DC locomotive to AC, or building a converter box to put in the power circuit? I could do either in an hour or two, but frankly, I have higher priorities. And I like European trains. The average American train operator isn't even going to consider it. 

 

By the way, I didn't realize that the new Darstaed wagons were made in Oz. Very cool, I suppose I'll get a couple just for the uniqueness factor. Which are the 8 that are made in Australia? I assume Burgoyne Wines, as well as Heinz, but what are the others?

 

All the best

SWH

SWH, the wine wagon is an existing model, not made in Australia, the Heinz wagon is, and the other seven are also British themed wagons. However, we are doing some uniquely Australian branded wagons next. It is not hard to fit US knuckle couplers on these, John and I will endeavour to get a US coupler option soon.

As for locos, we will be selling locos in the US with a standard e-unit for AC, and we are also going to offer TMCC and Lionel Railsounds as an option as well. They are after all, just the same as any US loco, with a DC can motor under the body.

I like the concept and the look of the Darstaed locos and rolling stock, but a couple of comments. 

The point SW Hiawatha made about "a set of American-style rolling stock that would mirror the BEEP/BEEF concept, which is American rail equipment shrunk to a four-wheel chassis" is spot on.  The short European cars all have fixed axles that do not pivot, a workable real-world method that led to short cars but a purely European solution (at least in the 20th century). 

 

Darstead, to me, has a quality problem facing it.  First, the recent 262 I bought was so noisy, I followed instructions and disassembled it: the gear case was completely dry.  No wonder it was noisy! I filled it with what looked to be a good qualintity of grease and it did quiet it down, but its still a grinder.   Despite that I did carry on and make it a display queen only, here in my office.

Then, some of the decals or detail paint whichever it is (the "LNER" and the number), on one side are falling off/not there, a distressing result considering I never toughed them and the model is in a display in my office now (problem solved for the moment - I just turned the model around so the other side, so far, so good,  for display.  In spite of how pretty the detailed paint may look, in the future (with the Jinty) I will not pay the extra $50 or so for the finely painted ones but just buy the basic and plan to repaint it myself if need be.

 

The RMT shorty passenger cars are are far too short for my taste.  I'd really like to see some about the length of BEEPS/BEEFS - say the length of the three I made in the photo earlier but derived from heavywieght or aluminum cars instead.

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