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Anyone know if there have been running models of compressed air/stored-steam miningg locomotives made in O-gauge?   I can find O-gauge and On-30 mining locomotives, but they have fireboxes, etc.  I have not been able to find any models of locos designed to run down into the mines.

 

 I made the the 0-6-0 compressed-air/stored-steam mining locomotive show below (no motor) for a project I am doing.  It is modeled after those made in the 1870s and 1880s by Adolph Braun and Company in Germany but is not an exact duplicate.   I made this in standard O-gauge but I suspect if anyone has done one in 1:48 it would be On30?

 

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Technically, they are called "fireless" locomotives. Pennsylvania Power & Light had one, PPL 4094-D. I always wondered if the builder copied a Marx loco, or if Marx copied the prototype.

 

They were also used around the docks in several ports. The fear was regular steam engine sparks might ignite ships sails, or other highly flammable material in the dock areas.

 

 

These locomotives were used where sparks and/or exhaust gases posed danger. They are also called "Fireless Cookers." They came in two models.

 

The above photo is the model used in tight clearances.

 

The PP&L 0-8-0 that Len2 posted is the other model. It is a thermos bottle on wheels. The "boiler" was filled with 2/3rds water and 1/3rd steam from a pipe connected to the boiler(s) at a plant. As steam pressure fell the water boiled and made more steam. Large cylinders used steam at low pressure.

 

These locomotives were filled by a connection on the side - a pipe for hot water and steam and a hose for compressed air. If the connection came loose, a small 0-4-0 could be tipped on its side by the reaction to steam and water escaping from the "boiler." Tipping a squat, heavy compressed air locomotive was less likely.

 

Some Marx locomotives resemble "Fireless Cookers" but I don't know of any made in "O" Gauge. Put a big, round body (or squat, heavy air tanks) on an 0-4-0 or an 0-6-0 and voila! I'd like to see the PP&L 0-8-0.

HK Porter was the big name in the fireless cooker/compressed air market. Don't really think it would be that hard to scratch build one for your layout. They were used a lot around explosives plants that were pretty common in the old days.  It would be an interesting model to build and part of a dynamite plant would be an uncommon feature on a layout.

Would it be feasible to make an operating scale version of compressed air loco, using actual compressed air to work in cylinders? It would give actual chuff sounds without the added complexities of live steam. One question is whether a model can store an adequate reserve of compressed air for useful working.

I should think that unless the builder had some background in, say, live steam and high pressure vessels, venturing into the realm of compressed air for stored energy in the 1:48 model railroading (toy trains?) realm would be......dangerous??? 

Just a thought.

Simulation using a high-torque can micro-motor (check out what they use in today's hobby rage....drones!) would be preferable to me, given the challenge.   After all, those tanks look like battery holders to me!!

Life's short enough.  Not on my bucket list.  Best of luck to anyone accepting the challenge.

I'd sooner stare down Beelzebub eating one more greasy brat, an order of lard-laden French fries, followed up with a dessert of a Funnel Cake at one more York meet....than attempt a compressed air 1:48 engine for the first time!

Again......just a thought.

TEHO, of course.

KD

(With apologies to my cardiologist.)

 

 

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Ace posted:

Would it be feasible to make an operating scale version of compressed air loco, using actual compressed air to work in cylinders? It would give actual chuff sounds without the added complexities of live steam. One question is whether a model can store an adequate reserve of compressed air for useful working.

The chuffs would sound more like "pffffts."

Rusty

jim pastorius posted:

Also, I have read that you can run them on dry ice. Gives off CO2 as it melts.

The dry ice steamer:

http://ibls.org/mediawiki/inde...le=Cold_Steam_Engine

 I have a Brit magazine somewhere that described a similar track-power control system for live steam indoors. The wheels and/or axles were insulated for 2-rail and power was forward/reverse polarity to a motor that drove the 3-way control valve. Centered position was "closed". Moving off-center to "forward" or "reverse", gradually opened a tapered slot to allow steam (or CO2 vapour) through to the cylinders. The tapered slot meant you had a throttle in both directions, so the motorized valve acted as speed and reverse control. Clear as mud?   It would work just as well in 3-rail, if anybody builds or finds one of these.

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