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I'm not "unhappy".  Things p*ss me off from time to time, but like many others, I enjoy jumping up on my soapbox and having a good gripe from time to time.   Prices are too high, quality stinks, they got the details wrong, your engine/control system/track choice is wrong.... the list goes on and on.  If we were honest with ourselves, many of us would admit that those are among the most entertaining posts we see.   Sure, we have plenty of the "I love my new XXX" type posts here, but those don't have nearly the post count of the "MTH/Lionel/insert-irritation-here BLOWS!!!!" variety.   Admit it - at some base level, most of us enjoy some drama.  We're guys (or really cool women...); we don't have soap operas/reality shows/etc. to keep us engrossed.   Be honest - it's kind of fun when a guy like Barry takes a guy like me to task   It's why many forums have a 'popcorn' emoticon - it's like theater.   

 

Put another way:  I'm happy with my kids... most of the time, but sometimes I want to sell them on eBay.  When people ask me about my family, I usually say something along the lines of:  "I have a lovely wife, three wonderful kids.... and one OTHER kid...".  But I love all my kids.  Sometimes, I just need to gripe about them when they do something so inconceivably stupid that I question human evolution at its core.  

 

If we were truly UNhappy, this forum would cease to exist.  

For the most part, I think people have fun in the hobby, but, people in general don't gather around and chat about what they are happy about.  They like to complain, argue, and debate.  When was the last time you asked to speak to a manager at a restaurant to tell them something was wrong?  When last did you do the same to tell them how good things were?  People just don't talk about what makes them happy as much.  

 

"Most folks are as happy as they make up their minds to be." -- Abraham Lincoln

 

I have been even happier since Forumites upgraded my Lionel Reading T-1

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And brought my long search for MTH Premier Southern Ps-4 1401 to a successful conclusion.

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Te Reading & Northern restored "The Four-And-A-Quarter" Jim Thorpe, PA

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A dedicated group of volunteers worked for 35 years to restore Jersey Central 0-6-0 113 at Minersville, PA

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And Steam into History Inc. took delivery of this beauty from [David] Kloke Locomotive Works, Elgin, IL, in June, 2013, and began running her and three wooden passenger cars built by the Reader Railroad in Arkansas that summer between New Freedom and Hanover Junction south of York, PA

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I'm very happy with the hobby!  Model Railroading is the most fun you can have with your clothes on!

 

I mean, after all…..

 

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, sound the whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...always look on the bright side of life... 
Always look on the light side of life... 

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and run your trains and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just turn on your ZW - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life... 
Always look on the light side of life... 

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death 
Just before you draw your terminal breath 

Life's a piece of s**t
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life... 
(Come on guys, cheer up! Just run the trains!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...

 

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hi Guys,  nice posts!  This hobby gives me time for me, and I really enjoy it tremendously, from building and expanding my layout to more recently, repairing old engines.  I even enjoy looking at the catalogs--dreaming about owning the high end stuff, just, like when I was a kid, only this time, rather than drinking $5 dollar lattes, I will drink the free coffee in the office and save the difference for my trains!   

Been in model railroading since I was a kid. Got out of it for a while, like everyone does...I think. Stayed in HO scale for years and dabbled in Sn3... sold it all a number of years ago. Last year rediscovered model trains(toy trains if you like) and it is good to be back. Still love the hobby and since I did not retire with a boatload of cash, or a boat, I have found that postwar Lionel, especially O27 is fun. Best part is it is almost S scale in size so I plan to cheat here and there when I build my new smaller layout. It beats $5 lattes at you know where, and you don't have to bust the budget to have fun!

Originally Posted by paul 2:

I have enjoyed trains and the hobby for 60 plus years........Paul

How about that! Another like myself. I too, can look back at a life full of happy memories of many days filled with toy trains.                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

Very happy indeed. I don't let things I can not control interfere with my enjoyment.  While I have a limited budget I have been able to create my own "empire" over the years.. Meeeting new friends, learning new things is icing on the cake. I love finding old junkers from any period and bringing them back to life.  What is not to like? 

 

Ed

Originally Posted by Traindiesel:

I'm very happy with the hobby!  Model Railroading is the most fun you can have with your clothes on!

I suggest clothes are optional. Sometimes the trains are the first thing turned on when I wake up in the morning.

Note the naked feet. I'll spare y'all anymore than that... Happy! Happy! Happy!

 

 

I happy with the hobby. More frustrated with myself, all thumbs, tough seeing small things, but I struggle through. Without this forum I would have given up many years ago.

I find happiness is what you make of it..

A quick story... My wife and I took a short 4 day cruise to see if we liked them or not. Well we had a great time really enjoyed ourselves. On the last morning we were seated at breakfast with 8 other people who we never met before. All they talked about was what was wrong or bad on the cruise. Leaned over to my wife and said "good thing we met these people we almost thought we had good time!" 

Are there days when I'm one of those 8 people of course but I try not to stay there too long.

 

I am truly wondering if there is anyone besides myself that still enjoys this hobby or is everyone a half-step away from rioting, protests, and revolt? I admit that I have had my fair share of rants so I have worked at finding the things that make me happy and frankly ignoring or moving away from those that do not. I decided to post this since it sure seems like there is a lot of pent up hate or frustrations at best over our hobby in many aspects. Lately it takes me a look at 6 to 7 posts to find a positive over a negative. So what gives? Not enough ozone anymore, prescriptions run out, or just general hate of one's existence?

 

I absolutely agree with you Jeff. People can say "they're happy" and then turn around and start complaining and grumbling about this, that and everything. 

 

The last two-decades have brought unprecedented changes, options, and variety into a segment of the train hobby that is STILL a smaller market than either N scale or HO scale. Even with all the variety available in those scales, the Railroad Model Craftsman magazine always has articles how to kitbash or correct one model into another.

 

Meanwhile, in the 3-rail arena, people would rather grumble, complain and expect by entitlement for the manufacturers to meet their every whim and want. In a recent thread, someone was complaining about headlight location, making the point it would be "no trouble" for Lionel to change their dies. Really? Why not do like the HO guys do, and alter the model yourself?!

 

Reality check folks: the train companies are also businesses. While part of their plan is to please as many people as possible, they also have to balance costs versus return. And they have all said it.

 

It's not just Notch 6. There are magazine articles, interviews, the TCA presentations, etc. I often wonder if anyone bothers to listen or read them? All the train companies (even the HO ones) say R&D is expensive, tooling is expensive, paint masks are expensive, that it takes several sell-out runs of a new product to just BREAK EVEN... not make profit... just to recover the investment costs. They have ALL said it, yet folks here chose to argue and not believe it.

 

"Why are there so few O scale decals?" Answer from Microscale, "They don't sell."

Question to Mike Wolf at a show, overheard by me: "Why do you ignore this particular road name?" Mike's answer: "It doesn't sell."

 

Yes folks, there's a reality to being IN the train business. Would you go to work tomorrow if your employer cut your salary in half? Probably not. Yet some people expect (and demand) the train companies to make products that will lose money.

 

I've sometimes made the comment, if you aren't happy then start YOUR own train company. And seriously, there's a whole freight load of folks here who really need to do this and find out just how expensive and difficult it is to be in this business. And you'll need your OWN money, because I doubt any bank (looking at this market, the dominance of the Lionel name, and how many other companies have tried and failed) is going to loan you any money.

 

THEN, if I guy like me, is REALLY content and doesn't complain, I have "scale envy" and am "smug." Of which I am neither.

 

I am really content with what I have. If you gave me a Vision Line Big Boy, I'd ask if I could instead trade it for some RMT products. If you offered me a free DCS and Legacy system, I'd be flattered, and then ask if I could trade it for something I'd really like instead.

 

If one of the forum sponsors offered me a FREE gift certificate for SCALE ONLY rolling stock, I'd have to decline the offer, unless I could redeem it for traditionally sized or 027 products. If they were willing to do that, IT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY.

 

I still look forward to the Ready To Run catalogs, only later looking at the others. I still think the K-Line S-2, now the RMT S-4 is the BEST diesel ever made - just because it looks so good on a smaller layout.

 

Fan driven smoke units are incredible, and are also inevitably problematic and unreliable - so I stick with the puffer units, with the Lionel premium fluid - which is a real improvement.

 

I'm happy with silhouettes in my 027 passenger cars... they look fine. In the recent thread about the best passenger cars, I wanted to vote for the PULLMAN 3-pack Lionel has offered for some years now. What a great idea. I'm certain I would have been the lone voice with that opinion.

 

So really, it's not a question of what will be made tomorrow. It's a question of what is made today. Are you happy with it or not? If not, you still have the option of teaching the other train companies a lesson by starting your own.

 

Or even more easily, going to HO scale, where the scale fidelity and product variety are financially justifiable to be made, and are already available.

 

The third option, is to continue complaining here. Or even better yet, grow your hair long, put on some bell-bottom jeans, make some signs that say "make this now" and then march outside your favorite train company offices... that'll change everything!!!

 

I am very happy with the hobby.  I would also guess that the vast majority of folks who post on this forum are happy as well.  If they weren't happy they would leave and find another hobby.

 

A lot of the complaining on the forum is by folks who "don't enjoy the hobby the way I do."  ("I," by the way, could be anyone on the forum.)  One example are the "toy" guys complaining about the "scale" guys and their quest for fidelity in their trains.  Since "I" don't care about the fidelity of my trains, the "scale guys" shouldn't care either.

 

Newsflash Brian, there is a scale fidelity in the o-gauge market. In many cases, it also costs very little to do things "right", instead of just doing them.  Often, it just takes a little bit of research and flexibility.  If the manufacturer were to do things "right" from the beginning, they would please more potential customers, both the folks who don't care, as well as the folks that do care. 

 

I love the hobby, if money was no object, I would still run scale equipment, but I would have a huge collection of pre-war and post-war trains.

 

This is, hands down, the best time, ever, to be into model trains!  If you are an o-gauge modeler and can't find something to make you happy, you aren't looking.  If you want to purchase new - choices include tinplate, traditional, semi-scale, and scale.  Add to this availability of 100 years of already manufactured trains on the internet, and we truly are in the "golden age" of o-gauge railroading.

 

Jim

My son is now into trains.  Reminds me what they hobby is really about.  Also brings back old memories of my early time spent with my dad.  I think as kids, we take a lot for granted, and as we have our own children, it becomes clear what our parents did for us.  My son loves his trains, and it makes me happy to "play trains" with him.  So, mark me down for the happy side.  I am also lucky my wife and I bring home decent pay checks, as these are not inexpensive items.  That being said, I hope they last for years of enjoyment for us.

I am happy to be alive and I enjoy a power stair lift up the 16 steps to my 9x16 round-the-room currently dormant attic layout. I navigate via canes, occasionally a walker, and enjoy train/engine saturation, most of which run when track is cleared and clean. A housekeeping problem which I plan to attack on my birthday next week, if I can stay off the Forum[and finish reading Lee's epistle on the lovely Veranda Turbine]. 

 

I long ago sold my used DCS to a neighborhood Doctor who now hates me and sold my new unused Legacy to Scrapiron recently. I rely on "old fashioned" TMCC/Conventional now backed-up operationally by a brand new Cab 1L and Base. I can now be classified as a poor future customer--I need no trains! 

 

I have simplified my layout and dumbed-down control to accommodate my aged physical and mental characteristics. I now dust trains and structures with my wife's Swifter and consider the remaining residue automatic "weathering".

 

Ignorant and obsolete but happy to soon be railroading again

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am very happy with the hobby.  I would also guess that the vast majority of folks who post on this forum are happy as well.  If they weren't happy they would leave and find another hobby.

 

A lot of the complaining on the forum is by folks who "don't enjoy the hobby the way I do."  ("I," by the way, could be anyone on the forum.)  One example are the "toy" guys complaining about the "scale" guys and their quest for fidelity in their trains.  Since "I" don't care about the fidelity of my trains, the "scale guys" shouldn't care either.

 

Newsflash Brian, there is a scale fidelity in the o-gauge market. In many cases, it also costs very little to do things "right", instead of just doing them.  Often, it just takes a little bit of research and flexibility.  If the manufacturer were to do things "right" from the beginning, they would please more potential customers, both the folks who don't care, as well as the folks that do care. 

I'll take the bait Jim.

 

Like I said, the past two decades have brought more new products and technology than ever before. So, we've gotten spoiled. Now there's an expectation (and subtly, a demand, for this continue). Look at the culture we live in: drive through everything, fast food, fast communication... have it YOUR way.

 

I for one, think the diversity of the market is good, since it was a small market to begin with. The scale side of the 3-rail market is a niche within a niche, but still accounts for growth. But much of that "growth" is former traditional guys going scale... so is it really overall growth? 

 

But there's no way the train makers are going to produce everything available in the traditional market (or even other scales like HO) in the scale 3-rail market in such a short period of time. The scale market is loyal and strong, but still SMALL. There have been scale products cancelled because they can't even meet a minimum quantity of just a few hundred.

 

Everything costs the manufacturers something, even research, which is part of R&D. I agree, that getting something like a paint scheme correct is a minimal cost in comparison to pleasing customers.

 

On the other hand, adapting tooling and dies for accuracy of only one particular railroad in another story. There's little financial incentive for a train company to change tooling to get the headlight placement correct on a locomotive that prototypically made for only one single railroad. Although Lionel is now doing this for some locomotives in the 2015 Signature Catalog, but look at those prices... that seems to be the number one complaint I'm reading. 

 

There was a thread about wishing someone would make scale deep well intermodal cars, where some posters were saying "if someone makes them, I'll take 3 for $150." Dream on, you can't even get them in HO for that price.

 

Despite what some people think about the train companies not caring, I believe they do... that's why they're in business. It's not at all a matter that Lionel or the others, do not want to please the scale customers in the market. It's really a matter of numbers: The scale side of the 3-rail market is the smallest, even by the manufacturers observations... only several thousand according to Lionel. That compared to several MILLION who buy starter sets.

 

But I concede the difference here is the several million who buy starter sets are not spending the same amounts of money on trains all year long as do the several thousand serious modelers. Which I think is why Lionel is trying so hard to please this market... it's money that comes in all year long.

 

But how realistic is for them to please EVERYONE at a cost people want to pay, and still remain in business. This is not fast food where you can order your sandwich without onions.

 

If you compare the 2015 Lionel Signature and Ready To Run catalogs, there is far more effort and new product in the Signature catalog. The RTR catalog is for the first time in a few years, is mostly product from last year. Which means either sales were soft, or they are trying to hold back costs. Either way, you don't see complaining about that. Yet for all the effort Lionel has put into their scale product line, there is STILL an enormous amount of complaining about it. It makes me wonder why Lionel even bothers with it... it seems by reading here that they cannot please anyone. 

 

Yeah, I wish Lionel would put even more effort into new products and tooling in the traditional line for the RTR catalog. But I'm not running Lionel, and neither is anyone else who frequently posts here.

 

Well, I'm happy with what i've been blessed with and I'm also thankful Lionel has remained in business all these years, some of which have been particularly hard ones - not just the 1930's or late 1960's BUT evently recently - Jerry Calabrese said that himself, when he was CEO.

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Just because you have sone gripes, it doesn't mean you still aren't happy overall.
Nothing is perfect.
I'm at a point where it seems like I have countless things still to do before I can run trains on the layout.
I'm happy overall but as for the hobby, I'll be happier once I can do op sessions.
only a fool would think the hobby has never been better for all the neat stuff out there.

Lee[p51]

I received notice yesterday that ET&WNC's last[built 1926] and only remaining caboose #505 has now been restored and placed on tracks beside the old Linville Depot at the Newland Train Museum. A crane picked it up and reached across the Depot to place it on tracks..

 

In 1950 when the road shut down Conductor Cy Crumley placed the 505 at his Watuga Lake fishing hole. Someone bought it in later years and for a long period its whereabouts was unknown. The trucks were lost but fortunately a set of narrow gauge was found in a Pennsylvania junk yard for the restoration.

 

A guy named Ripley has donated it to the Museum essentially in perpetuity. Restoration of the Depot continues but they are near running out of funds. I am gonna pass on buying a new Southern engine and donate the funds to the cause.

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