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As the title says. I'm looking to expand as well as eliminate the long straight runs. The loops are getting old. Unfortunately my work computer will not let me install personal programs (need an admin password for all installs) and our personal compute is a MacBook so not compatible with SCARM. So I'm here asking for help and really appreciate anyone's time.

A few things below. Also, I'll be sticking with fastrack. I have mostly O36 curves. My current outter loop is a mix of some 1/4 O36 sections along with O48 which allows a little bigger looking curves. I don't mind running at the edge of plywood. If I remember correctly the full O48 won't fit within 4'.

1. I want to be able to run 2 trains without worry, so 2 separate loops are a must.

2. I have an MTH single track arch bridge I wish to use, but I'm not sold on a climb. Maybe I'll use it in the future as part of an elevated track. Or maybe even build a valley into between the proposed and existing sections? I do have a set of fastrack graduated trestles if I wish to utilize.

3. I have a menards cripple creek engine house I'd like to utilize in some capacity. I also have a lumber conveyor and barrel loaded I wish to use which will need some space. I have a few smaller accessories too but I can use those wherever they fit. I'd prefer to keep my train station where it is. I can get some dimensions on that location.

4. I currently have 4 remote (2 lt and 2 rt) switches and 5 manual switches, all O36. I have considered doing a return loop to utilize one or two of the manual switches. I don't mind finding a few more to purchase, but I don't want to go overboard with $100 remote switches.



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Here is the engine house I have. Note one bay is a pull through and one dead ends. I don't mind if both are dead ended or if the one is a pull through.

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Just a few comments about your "druthers" (desires):

1.  A width of 4' and a desire to run 2 trains only leaves 2 possibilities; two concentric ovals (albeit they will now be longer) OR, if you are willing to run shorter trains, one long oval with two or more passing sidings so that trains running in opposite directions can "meet" and pass each other safely.  One end of either passing siding can be used to start a yard ladder track in the oval center where you can position operating accessories with related cars.

2.  If you do choose to go with 2 concentric ovals, you could build them both with O36 curves, but insert two short pieces of track in the middle of each outside oval curve so that the outside curve clears the inside curve by enough to avoid sideswipes when both trains are in the same end curve.  I think that if you use two 4.5" pieces of straight track, your outside O36 curve will easily clear your inside curve and still stay on your wood table top.

Chuck

@PRRick  Just some thoughts, you have to decide what "works" for you.

- avoid long straight runs, at least in front, most find them uninteresting

- decide a purpose for your railroad - what it it going to do?

- what rolling stock do you find interesting? passenger, freight, container, tanker, coal ...

- what industries do you find interesting and how can you get them into your layout,

- what kind of detailing do you want? flat land, mountains, hills, towns, cities, forests, deserts. layouts need visual interest. As many b4 have said the trains are the actors, the layout the stage.

- layouts need visual breaks and elements - tunnels, bridges, trees (forests), hills, buildings, walls, rivers, lakes 

- while railroads like flat, our world is not, figure out ways to have different track elevations, even if its only a couple of inches.

Now my personal likes if this were mine - elevate one loop so you can have at least one track running above another allowing for a bridge and one train running above another.  Connect all your loops so a single train can run on all the tracks. (this solves looper syndrome) Add a freight yard - you have plenty of room.  See if you have room for a couple of kick outs at either side of the table to allow for larger diameter curves. Adding 6 or 8 inches can make a huge difference without needing a lot of space and needing the entire table length. Since the rails have to curve back into the main table it reduces the long straight run. (Something like a folded dogbone). Use vertical space - that means backdrops, towns on different elevations, hills, walls, different sized trees.  There are lots of layouts on this forum, look at what others have done and borrow their ideas. Also look at the back issues of OGR - filled with ideas.   ENJOY the JOURNEY

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