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Barry,
You said, "This is MTH promoting a feature that typically those that already have Legacy or TMCC are likely to utilize. if someone wants to purchase a Legacy or TMCC set, they certainly aren't going to do so based on the strength of this DCS feature."

When I bought DCS, I had a lot of MTH engines, but I had no TMCC or Legacy items. 

 

I bought my first Legacy engine because I had purchased MTH's DCS and it would allow me to control the engine by adding a simple TMCC base, and because Lionel offered an SD70 ACE that MTH did not...

 

Honestly, I was there... you weren't! For the record, I will state, "I bought my first, and only, Legacy engine from Lionel based on the strength of this DCS feature ( the ability to control TMCC via DCS)".  I invite forum members to decide for themselves if that was a dumb move, but I can't let you tell me what my decision making process was.

 

I said,  "YEP! by marketing DCS and promoting the fact that I can run Lionel engines, they have successfully encouraged me to by a Lionel (where a similar engine in MTH didn't exist)."

 

You said, "Nonsense."

 

Feel free to call  my buying practices "nonsense", but don't explain to me what I was thinking when I bought my first Lionel Legacy engine.  If MTH did not offer the ability to control this Legacy engine via DCS with TMCC, I would not have bought it.  I surely would not have bought an expensive Legacy System to control my one Legacy engine!

 

You said, "You buy what you buy simply because it's an engine that you just want to own. The fact that you can operate it with DCS doesn't affect the decision-making process whatsoever."

 

That's interesting. Now, in addition to speaking for Mike, you have decided that you can tell us all what our decision-making process must be!

 

Sorry, in my case, you're wrong. Not trying to be clever or amusing,

 

Ed

 

 

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I hope in the near future that MTH will open thier command/control platform so that others can make apps, accessories,  and trains that speak DCS.  Knowing what I know now about MTH being closed and Lionel being open, I would have gone to Lionel Legacy instead of DCS. I am not sure I would even recommend DCS for that reason. 

 

I am also concerned about 5 or 10 or 20 years out if DCS will be available in some way.  If the command language and system is not open, then the investments today in trains have risk and could become be useless.  I really do not want to be relegated to conventional operation if the remote breaks or the ipad app is no longer supported.  Lionel, with published communication structure, can be supported in someway for years to come without worry as someone can provide a alternative control or application. Not so with DCS.

 

Lionel made a business decision to open thier platform and they still sell alot of product.  They also have expanded the hobby and expanded the potential base of users with the open platform. I am sure that some inside Lionel grumble or wish they had not opened the control system due to missed profits. I would argue that the move opened the hobby more and expanded it, therefore increasing the potential base of users that generates more sales.

 

In the end, the train hobby is not exactly a large market. Anything that Lionel and MTH can do to expand the hobby for increased market potential, they need to be considering it.  I believe opening DCS can help. In chasing the almighty profit some things have to be given up and others brought in to share to push you forward. 

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Mr.Bill:

I hope in the near future that MTH will open thier command/control platform so that others can make apps, accessories,  and trains that speak DCS.  Knowing what I know now about MTH being closed and Lionel being open, I would have gone to Lionel Legacy instead of DCS. I am not sure I would even recommend DCS for that reason. 

 

Legacy isn't open.

 

TMCC was open (and Lionel's last CEO said he considered that move to be a mistake on the part of his predecessor) in the sense that the control codes were published for the public, and could be fed into a Command Base via its serial port. The codes that control Legacy-specific functions (i.e., the ones you can't control with a CAB-1) have always been proprietary to Lionel.

 

---PCJ

Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:
Originally Posted by RailRide:
The codes that control Legacy-specific functions (i.e., the ones you can't control with a CAB-1) have always been proprietary to Lionel.

 

---PCJ

Well, until recently.  Lionel released the Legacy command structure for 3rd party use.

Is that specifically for applications working through Lionel's Ipad/phone-based interface with Legacy?

 

---PCJ

I'm chewing my fingers (as I'm not actually using my tongue here). Without simply repeating myself on the merits. I've gone from interested to discouraged, as in the absence of an actual round table discussion we are parsing words, to make our viewpoints. Viewpoints that clearly won't change. Barry, contrary to your tone, I'm not a moron. I respect all the opinions presented. We dont need to agree. But I find your belittling dismissal of the implementation of DCC as being a bonus for all manufacturers, the most self serving comment of the entire discussion. So rather than continue, I will take my fingers, to other topics. 

Thank you all for the interesting discourse. I look forward to future discussions.

Marty,

I find your belittling dismissal of the implementation of DCC as being a bonus for all manufacturers, the most self serving comment of the entire discussion

Really?? Where did I say anything that was "...belittling dismissal of the implementation of DCC as being a bonus for all manufacturers,..."?

 

My entire response as regards DCC was as follows:

DCC is a technology. Technologies don't make profits or have shareholders. Companies do.

How is that in any way "belittling" or a "dismissal" of DCC? Are you disagreeing that DCC is a technology rather than a company?

 

Regardless of the fact that I never said what you stated that I said, how in the world could such a statement have been at all "self-serving"?

 

I'm sorry that you continue to misunderstand and misinterpret my statements as regards what makes good business sense.

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With over 22 MUs (double to quad) and double and triple headers, I have had only one (Reading Alco S2 and V1000 both Premier) that would not perform in a lashup.  After 2 engine failures in the Alco, I sold the V1000 because the board replacements were becoming expensive. At 10 smph for the Alco the V1000 would need to run slower than 9 smph(indicated) to be reasonable.  As some of you know I run up to 4 MU trains per loop, and about 6 years ago I asked David about a boost delta that would permit multiple trains to run at similar speeds and when he got back to me 4 months later he told me that to program that capability would be too expensive (e.g. complicated) and he had many higher priorities.  As a result, I now have my 4 train loops with a Legacy train as the last (slowest) train because at the speed I run my trains 10-20 smph I have three speed steps (legacy) to adjust for one smph (DCS) which provides me a bit more granularity speed control over that 4th train. Unfortunately, my layout (33 trains running simultaneously) will need to come down to permit access to the electrical box for a solar panel installation as soon as I figure the logistics (space and storage  concerns) of the tear down.

Who is David?

 

I do find some of this discussion amusing.  While the protocol is open on Lionel, the internals of your engine are not.  Legacy is not sold as an upgrade, only TMCC and the older RS 4.0 or now 5.0 in the RS Lite board.

 

MTH does sell their latest boards as upgrade (soon for PS-3).  They also give you unlimited sound file selection.

 

Either way there are so many pros and cons and both manufacturers have advantages in certain areas.  To worry what happens in 20 years, when we might be dead, or the hobby shrinks so much that manufactures go out of business is amusing to me.  Look at the mint in the box prewar/postwar stuff that can still be bought, decades after that Lionel Company went bankrupt and defunct. 

 

If MTH or Lionel deicide to close their doors someone would step in to buy the rights of the control systems if there still was a market and money to be made. 

 

Frankly running trains will be the least of the issues, getting a replacement board to run a VL feature will require finding another VL and stripping it.  For MTH just find any board and your in business other than the flash boards, but even then just find a similar engine, not the exact engine.   Too many things to worry about, that best not be worried about.  IMHO.   G

Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz:

Eddie,

 

Anyone can buy what they want from whomever they want.

 

Regardless, I find your statements to be self-serving, stretch reality and nowhere near mainstream. Others may feel differently.

Barry,

 

Based on a few emails I've received, others DO feel differently!

 

I'm not sure where my statements are "self-serving".  Everything I said was based on how and why I bought a Legacy locomotive.   I didn't proclaim myself as an expert or promote selling anything (attributes of a self-serving personality according to the dictionary), I just explained my buying logic.

 

How could me explaining why I bought an engine "stretch reality"?

 

As far as describing my statements as "nowhere near mainstream"...

I'm, by far, not the only person on the forum stating that:

 

MTH should open the commands for DCS, like Lionel has done for TMCC and Legacy

 

MTH should allow us to edit sound files, or at minimum, provide the file structure so others could develop an editor.  (I would love to take on that project!)

 

I think the Mr. Bill's post has provided a well thought out overview of why we all should ask MTH for information similar to that which Lionel provides.

 

Ed

 

ps. "Anyone can buy what they want from whomever they want." We agree!

 

 

Ed let's say MTH did, what makes you think Lionel would modify Legacy to allow you to adapt it?  I am not sure what allowed MTH to adapt DCS to handle TMCC and Legacy even before Legacy code was released.  They just found away to talk to TMCC and Legacy and those devices are still needed to operate a TMCC or Legacy engine.

 

I think the issue is TMCC Legacy is one way communication and the MTH remote via DCS can give equivalent TMCC/Legacy commands to the appropriate Bases.  The base is still needed to talk to the engine.

 

DCS is two way communication and Legacy is not capable of that.

 

Also how do you change the sound file in RS engine?  Isn't it a purchase each time?

 

I don't know how it is done, I am generalizing my thoughts from a block diagram approach.  Maybe others can weigh in. 

 

So if all of a sudden you can operate a MTH engine from Legacy even though you still need a TIU all is well in the universe?

 

I still think the logic is flawed, though I understand someone might rather operate a set up with a Legacy remote vice DCS remote.

 

Also, As far as I can see Lionel and MTH are still holding the license rights.  Letting TMCC out of the bag let other companies produce TMCC boards with code to install in engines not made by Lionel. 

 

You won't see that mistake with Legacy and Lionel went back and bought out those other companies. 

 

G

Eddie,

MTH should open the commands for DCS, like Lionel has done for TMCC and Legacy

They have.

 

Hikel O Gauge is licensed by MTH to use their command set. In fact, he's been using it for several years in conjunction with his computer-manged layout control system business.

 

Could you please name someone who has been licensed by Lionel to use the Legacy command set? I don't know if Lionel farmed out the iCab or LCS app development, however, I suspect that they may have.

 

Further, MTH makes kits available to place DCS capability in other manufacture's engines, at a cost well below the cost of the kit parts. Where can I purchase such a kit for Legacy?

MTH should allow us to edit sound files, or at minimum, provide the file structure so others could develop an editor.  (I would love to take on that project!)

Why don't you petition MTH to do exactly that? Of course, then you'd have to support it, as well.

 

How much would you charge for custom sound files? Or would you give them away "for the good of the hobby?"

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Barry, Lionel has the Lionel LCS Partner Program, and anyone can apply to be a partner.

 

The Lionel Legacy Command Specification.PDF is the complete Legacy Command protocol specification for anyone who has the SER2 or LCS WiFi module to use.  MTH has a WiFi module, but they have not, and from all accounts, will not release the protocol to the general unwashed masses.  That's one difference...

Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz:

Eddie,

MTH should open the commands for DCS, like Lionel has done for TMCC and Legacy

They have.

 

Hikel O Gauge is licensed by MTH to use their command set. In fact, he's been using it for several years in conjunction with his computer-manged layout control system business.

 

Like I said, as long as your name starts with an "H" and ends with an "L"....

 

Could you please name someone who has been licensed by Lionel to use the Legacy command set? I don't know if Lionel farmed out the iCab or LCS app development, however, I suspect that they may have.

 

From the Lionel Website:

The first available LCS Partner App is “Bluetrain” from industry innovator Bob Krivacic. It’s an Andriod app that connects to LCS WiFi and operates TMCC, Legacy and Vision products. And it can be used simultaneously with any other LCS-compatible smart device or Lionel Cab remote controller.

 

Further, MTH makes kits available to place DCS capability in other manufacture's engines, at a cost well below the cost of the kit parts. Where can I purchase such a kit for Legacy?

 

ERR sells TMCC boards to add TMCC to other manufacturer's engines, starting at about $50... Legacy?

maybe some day, based on TMCC precedent.

MTH should allow us to edit sound files, or at minimum, provide the file structure so others could develop an editor.  (I would love to take on that project!)

Why don't you petition MTH to do exactly that? Of course, then you'd have to support it, as well.

 

Well written software doesn't require a lot of support, but I'd be up for that!

 

How much would you charge for custom sound files? Or would you give them away "for the good of the hobby?"

 

Actually, I don't want to create sound files.  I would create a "sound editor" to load existing sound files, edit specific items, like "Engine SND 1", and then save back to the engine.  It would allow you to replace "Look there's Santa" with "Let's wave to Barry!".

 

I had envisioned a price point similar to that of a well known DCS book!   Or perhaps, it would be a "for the good of the hobby" offering.  Some people actually do that, like Mixy, with the fantastic SCARM software, or Bob K. cited above.

Responses italicized above,

 

Ed

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Ed,

Further, MTH makes kits available to place DCS capability in other manufacture's engines, at a cost well below the cost of the kit parts. Where can I purchase such a kit for Legacy?

 

ERR sells TMCC boards to add TMCC to other manufacturer's engines, starting at about $50... Legacy?

maybe some day, based on TMCC precedent.

So, the answer is there are no Legacy upgrade kits. Based on Jerry Calabrese's past comments regarding the mistake that was licensing TMCC, it's also unlikely that there will be.

Actually, I don't want to create sound files.  I would create a "sound editor" to load existing sound files, edit specific items, like "Engine SND 1", and then save back to the engine. 

OK, that makes more sense.

Well written software doesn't require a lot of support, but I'd be up for that!

Actually, support now becomes an even bigger issue. Who is going to support the product, particularly when some operator completely screws up his engine's sound file?

Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz:

Ed,

Further, MTH makes kits available to place DCS capability in other manufacture's engines, at a cost well below the cost of the kit parts. Where can I purchase such a kit for Legacy?

 

ERR sells TMCC boards to add TMCC to other manufacturer's engines, starting at about $50... Legacy?

maybe some day, based on TMCC precedent.

So, the answer is there are no Legacy upgrade kits. Based on Jerry Calabrese's past comments regarding the mistake that was licensing TMCC, it's also unlikely that there will be.

 

Based on a past president of Lionel' comments, they may not offer Legacy upgrade kits...maybe yes, maybe no

 

BUT if licensing was such a big mistake, why are they providing the Legacy command structure NOW?

 

Just for the record, none of my comments asked for a Legacy upgrade kit. So it has nothing to do with the points I made in the discussions above.

Actually, I don't want to create sound files.  I would create a "sound editor" to load existing sound files, edit specific items, like "Engine SND 1", and then save back to the engine. 

OK, that makes more sense.

 

Just to clarify, that makes more sense to YOU, because that's what I was saying all along!

Well written software doesn't require a lot of support, but I'd be up for that!

Actually, support now becomes an even bigger issue. Who is going to support the product, particularly when some operator completely screws up his engine's sound file?

 

If a sound file is completely screwed up, just reload the original sound file from the MTH website to your engine, and it's all back to original.  There's a real good How-To book on the subject!

Responses boldfaced above.

 

Ed

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Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn:
Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz:

John,

 

Who is the partner, if there is one, who wrote the LCS and/or iCab apps?

I don't know if it was a partner or Lionel.  My point is that the protocol is freely available for anyone, including myself, to use if I wanted to.  MTH doesn't make that available.

Barry,

To clarify, we have a staff writing the iCab and iPad Apps.  The architecture and design is guided by me, with help from my team.

 

We also have many active partners that are developing apps and serial driven accessories with our command spec published.  We even supply sample code for the interfaces. Our system is completely open at this time.  We do not publish the developers names, but they are welcome to state their status as such.

 

All:

Sound file changes are so complex, that it would require a staff of Lionel support folks to guide users,  have us making our tool sets user friendly, users to buy expensive programmers, and 3rd party compiler licenses that no individual would be able to afford.  these items are just the things that come to mind, I am sure there are more requirements...  And when it is all said and done with such expense and infrastructure, the takers would be few.  It simply is not practical for Lionel.

 

Upgrades are a losing proposition for anyone other than Lionel in the TMCC realm, as we have ElectricRR's patents, technology, and continue to make the upgrades available.  At the same time we are increasing the level of tech and lowering costs where possible by leveraging Lionel's volume.  This is why the only TMCC upgrade company left is ElectricRR.

 

I am not putting down any decision or business practice by other companies, just stating our current philosophy.

 

Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz:

Ed,

Further, MTH makes kits available to place DCS capability in other manufacture's engines, at a cost well below the cost of the kit parts. Where can I purchase such a kit for Legacy?

 

ERR sells TMCC boards to add TMCC to other manufacturer's engines, starting at about $50... Legacy?

maybe some day, based on TMCC precedent.

So, the answer is there are no Legacy upgrade kits. Based on Jerry Calabrese's past comments regarding the mistake that was licensing TMCC, it's also unlikely that there will be.

Actually, Jerry asked me to design Legacy upgrades, and I resisted.  The problem is holding the high standards of a Legacy class product, and the complexity of the motor encoder needed in a retrofit.   It is technologically challenging to offer an upgrade while doing it properly; and not complicate the Cab-2 Operating system to support all of the compromises in such an upgrade.

 

The future, perhaps we will see a Limited Legacy upgrade available.  It comes down to how much time I can place into this development via ElectricRR, and the current management acceptance of such an offering.

 

This thread is sure lingering.  

 

It is simple just get DCC

 

The simple way is to set the starting voltage by adjust CV2.   Then adjust the midpont of the speed by adjusting CV6 and the top end of the speed with CV5.   

 

The other way to do this is to put in a speed table of 28 steps starting at CV67 and entering through CV94.   

 

If you use the speed table, set CV29 to 18,22, 50 or 54 corresponding to

Short Address with plain DC enabled,

short address with plain DC disabled,

long Address with plain DC enabled,

long address with plain DC disabled,

 

Short address being 2 digits or less, long address being 3 or 4.

 

This can be done with any DCC system with or without the programming track.   It can also be done with Decoder Pro on your computer.

Jon,

Thanks for a peek at some of the inside thinking at Lionel!  As I said earlier, I only have one Legacy engine right now, but I can see more in my future!

 

Personally, I appreciate the fact that we have access to the command structure and format for both TMCC and Legacy.  Now I just need some time to play with the info!

 

Maybe now's the time to start, given that the outside temperature in CT is 10 degrees. Not going outside tonite!

 

Ed

Originally Posted by prrjim:

This thread is sure lingering.  

 

It is simple just get DCC

The very nature of both the Lionel and MTH systems are to eliminate this. For example, You push a horn button and the horn blows. There is no need to reassign this function. So you don't move the function assignments, the manufacturer sets them.

 You don't match the speed curve or need to set the starting voltage, it's predetermined. I've installed the MTH PS2 (and now the ps3) boards and they don't need any changes. They do the job by watching the flywheel, I imagine.

 I don't wish to move backwards and memorize the entire planet's available board's functions and mappings of each. I agree with Mike Wolf's statement about DCC.

 I think Jon just told us the same...

"Sound file changes are so complex, that it would require a staff of Lionel support folks to guide users,  have us making our tool sets user friendly, users to buy expensive programmers, and 3rd party compiler licenses that no individual would be able to afford."

 

On the real subject of this thread... Can I adjust scale MPH?

 

It would be nice because it is not as simple as putting the slow one up front.  I have 2 MTH GG-1's.

 

20-5548-1  the faster one and 20-5515-1 the slower one.  When attempting to double head with one on the engines in the front and one in the rear, the train will derail every time no matter what direction.

 

If the faster engine is in the lead, it will pull cars off the track on my O-72 curves.  If the slower engine is in the lead, the faster engine will push the cars off the track on an O-72 curve.

 

So I don't double head... But sometimes wish it would work.  So being able to adjust the speed would be nice.

 

Now on the the argument side of this thread...

an enhancement that would allow a user to run thier MTH loco with company A loco today and company B loco tomorrow, without having an elite skill set.

I would buy that in a heartbeat.  And so would every other non MTH diehard.  Thus MTH would be able to expand their customer base and then also those non diehards might actually generate more interest in MTH products.

 

@Barry

Can you show me one, non-trivial, example of a successful company that exercises your thought process in the business world?

Yes… Just about every computer electronics company.  Can you imagine buying an HP computer and having to buy ONLY an HP printer because it was the only printer that worked with that computer?  Nope…because there are standards so all this stuff can work together.

 

You just flunked "Business 101”

You actually just flunked business 101.  Because when you fail to be flexible and find ways to expand a customer base rather than trap a customer base, your business can grow.  There are diehard Lionel fans and diehard MTH fans.  Then there are all those folks in the middle.  That is your market that can be tapped into.  And there are more people in the middle than the diehards.

 

Where did I say anything that was "...belittling

You may not have intended to be belittle.  But there are times when your posts read that way.  There have been times in the past when someone has a thought and you are quick to vehemently dismiss it and claim MTH will NEVER do this.   That sort of reply can appear belittling to the poster and other readers with common interests.

 

.... and that's why this thread has taken on the life it did.

 

vr

Ron

 

 

 

 

 

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I am so lost on this now, what did you ask for Ed?

 

Lionel has come out and stated it would not be cost effective to allow you to edit sounds, but we will beat MTH up even though you get any sound file you want free.

 

Even with DCS codes could Lionel add it to CAB-2?  Especially if the TIU is a 2 way talker and Legacy is not?  We did not get that answer.

 

So is this just a beef with MTH or Barry or what?

 

As far as Legacy, with all due respect to Jon.  Lionel has pulled parts off the web that would have been available to give Legacy to the users along with other items like smoking whistles and such.  All those parts are now listed as not available or required to contact Lionel to get, which means you need to be a Lionel repair tech (under a non disclosure).

 

As Jon States, viewed as a losing proposition because it comes at the expense of new train purchases.  Yet, MTH seems to be willing to give it including PS-3 shortly.

 

It almost seems like the beef is not having it, even though if you did nothing would be done with it.

 

This all started because two trains didn't run together correctly.  Yet even Legacy doesn't necessarily run with TMCC, cruise needs to be turned off, or some other compromise is required.  Nature of the beast.  Legacy to Legacy no issue.

 

If two MTH trains are not running correctly, a look at hardware may fix it.  Tach reader, or tape.  Validate the SF is correct.  In the majority of cases they will run within 2% and if coupled you wouldn't know the difference.  G

 

 

Ron,

 

Yes… Just about every computer electronics company.  Can you imagine buying an HP computer and having to buy ONLY an HP printer because it was the only printer that worked with that computer?  Nope…because there are standards so all this stuff can work together.

Baloney.

 

No company makes a product that encourages someone to buy their competitors products. You're confusing standards with competition.

 

Electronic component companies don't typically make consumer electronics products, rather, they make components. If their components are identical to their competitor's components, they compete on price, quality and availability.

 

Consumer products companies, like HP, don't do something that encourages the consumer to buy the competitors product instead of HP's. HP's computers and peripherals are standards-based so many competitor's products can connect and  interoperate with their products. They compete primarily on price, quality and features. They certainly don't strive to make a computer and encourage you to buy some other company's peripherals.

 

MTH's DCS and Lionel's Legacy are not standards based. Your HP analogy doesn't work.

Because when you fail to be flexible and find ways to expand a customer base rather than trap a customer base, your business can grow

Being "flexible" isn't encouraging consumers to buy the competitor's product instead of your own, and investing valuable resources and expense to do it.

.  And there are more people in the middle than the diehards.

Right!

 

Those people need to be encouraged to buy MTH engines. They don't need to be given any additional reason to buy MTH's low-cost, low-margin (if any margin) kit to instead enhance a competitor's product so that it can better run with theirs. What MTH wants them to do, ideally, is to sell or otherwise discard their existing engines and buy MTH's instead.

You may not have intended to be belittle.  But there are times when your posts read that way. 

My posts tend to state what I believe to be true and how they are perceived is out of my control. When I state something I tend to do so in a manner that leaves no doubt as regards what I'm stating.

 

If someone lacks the understanding or knowledge to fully comprehend what I'm saying (I make no representations as regards anyone in this discussion), they are free to ask me to better explain my thoughts and I will attempt to clarify my statements. If they'd rather just argue, I'm up for that as well.  

There have been times in the past when someone has a thought and you are quick to vehemently dismiss it and claim MTH will NEVER do this.   That sort of reply can appear belittling to the poster and other readers with common interests.

First, I severely question your use of the word "vehemently". I respond in a straightforward, direct way to that to which I disagree.

 

Second, regarding my prognostications about what MTH is, or is not, likely to do in the future. Tell me what I've stated is unlikely to happen (I rarely say "never") and where I've been mistaken. You should find something, however, I doubt that there will be very much.

 

Third, the fact that someone doesn't care for my tone or attitude, or finds my statements to be "belittling", is much more that person's problem and than it is mine.

 

Tell me, do you believe my statement regarding DCC...

DCC is a technology. Technologies don't make profits or have shareholders. Companies do.

... was belittling, or just reality?  

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Tell me, do you believe my statement regarding DCC...

DCC is a technology. Technologies don't make profits or have shareholders. Companies do.

... was belittling, or just reality?  

 

No Barry, I do not believe the above is belittling.  And if you think that is the only comment in the string of posts in question than you have missed the point entirely.

 

I have no desire to go back to research and review previous threads and posts to point out other examples.  I made an observation based on my experience and what I have read in the past and shared it.  Nothing more.

 

Being "flexible" isn't encouraging consumers to buy the competitor's product instead of your own, and investing valuable resources and expense to do it.

I'm not convinced that making a product so that MTH engines and Lionel engines run together encourages me to go out and buy more Lionel engines vice MTH engines.  If MTH really has that mentality, then why did they make TMMC options in the DCS system by allowing me to add a TMCC engine?  Based on your logic they should never have developed that technology and allowed MTH users to do that.

 

You say Baloney and I say Bologna.  And that's OK. 

 

Ron

 

 

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