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I am new here as of today, so I apologise if this has already been discussed...

 

I primarily model in S and HO scales, but have always had an interest in 2-rail O scale.  I model mostly southeastern US railroads, primarily SEABOARD AIR LINE, in the year 1957.  I chose this year as it is the year that most of my favorite SAL locos were still in service.

 

I am particularly interested in the Baldwin Centipede locos.  It is my understanding that both Lionel and MTH have produced Balwdin Centipedes, but only in 3-rail configuration... not 2-rail.  If that is not true, someone please correct me.  If it is true, then (and this is the purpose of my post) I'd like to know if it is possible to convert these monsters to a 2-rail configuration with scale wheels.  I might even be interested in converting one to P:48 standard.

 

Having never seen one of these locos from either manufacturer first hand, I have not formed an opinion which one I prefer or which one best matches the SAL prototype, but I believe... based on photos... that the Lionel offering is best.  At least their paint schems seem to be more accurate for the road numbers they chose whereas the MTH versions are all wrong - SAL #s 4501-4512 NEVER wore the Seaboard's 1st Citrus passenger scheme, only # 4500 wore it... and # 4500 was totally unique to all other production units in the first place.

 

SAL4507JAX17JAN1961

SAL4501

SAL4506

I would appreciate any and all input on this matter.  Having a model of this one locos would be all it took to finally get me started modeling in O scale!

 

 

John Degnan

Scaler164@comcast.net

 

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Good to know that at least MTH offered their Centipede in a 2-rail version.  Unfortnately there were enough differences between the PRR and SAL Centipedes that I'd end up doing a good bit of re-work to the PRR shells to get a SAL model out of it... unless... the shells are interchangable... which would enable me to just drop a SAL 3-rail shell on the PRR 2-rail chassis.

 

Otherwise, looking for that Overland model will probably be my best bet, as I feel sure they probably did them 'road-specific' correct.

 

 

John Degnan

Scaler164@comcast.net

 

I have a set of PRR Overlands Centipedes, and like many early 1980's Overland diesels required quite a bit of work to achieve problem free running and body integrity.  With the Centipedes the major issues were weak motors and body shorts.  I replaced the two motors in each unit with a single high torque flywheel equipped double shaft Pittman motor.  To eliminate shorts I polarized each unit so that all wheels pick up on one side (like between locomotive and tender) and used miniature electrical jumpers between the units. With QSI DCC and sound, it now is one of my nicest running diesels.   You might want to check to see if Overland offered a version detailed for SAL - all I've ever seen are PRR versions.

 

Ed Rappe

John,

 

From one fellow ACL/SAL Modeler Yahoo member to another, welcome!

 

MTH does make a Centipede in their "Proto-Scale 32" line but painted in PRR.  This line offers the ability to switch from 3 to 2-rail use with the flip of a switch (so it says on their website):

 

http://www.mthtrains.com/content/20-5566-1

 

Sorry, that was a GG1, I'll look again for the Centipede.

 

I'm really not familiar with these 3-rail/2-rail engines, but I seem to recall you have to order the engine with the appropriate wheels (3 or 2 rail), maybe someone can help out with the details here.

 

Good luck!

Last edited by Bob Delbridge
Bob is correct.  MTH has a 3--2 system.  My Russian decapod has that system.  It is interesting to note that left and right side wheels are isolated from each other, even as a three rail model.  My guess is that this system establishes one production run for either 3 rail or 2 rail.   Most 3--2 locomotives/units have instructions for the conversion.  Remove the third rail roller contact pick-ups and flip the switch.

There is also discussion about scale wheel flanges.
Last edited by Mike CT
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