Good article on the Base3 with Dave Olson. Check it out when you get it.
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Where is it located? Is it a video on YouTube?
Doesn't look like it's in the digital copy I have.
Edit: I checked back on the OGR Digital site, apparently they "updated" the digital copy after Friday to include the Dave Olsen article, the one I downloaded when it came out doesn't have that article!
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Doesn't look like it's in the digital copy I have.
I looked at the Digital Edition online. If you downloaded it before the catalog came out it wasn't in there and you might have to re-download it. Right after the Lionel ad on pages 58, 59 (AD) 60,61 is the article.
That must be the omission they said they accidentally published and asked us not to discuss. I was so confused when I didn't see anything about it haha
I'll be glad to read it! I doubt I'll need the CAB3 right away but I will upgrade when I need to.
Nice article. Interesting to read about the process for design over the past few years. Thanks for posting.
I'm glad it was mentioned as I had the previous copy of Run 322 that didn't have the article within. I replaced it with the new version. 
AH! the CAB3 bridge design MEANS something!!
Let's all build back better BRIDGES...... I think I like it.
Using a phone app instead of a CAB. . I like that! BUT that Means no more income from CAB sales.
@AlanRail posted:Using a phone app instead of a CAB. . I like that! BUT that Means no more income from CAB sales.
He did say CAB1L will be around for "years to come". And I do hope that's true. I would think the profit margin is decent on that thing given it's simpler design.
Honestly, after reading the article, I'm just glad to see everything finally land under one roof.
I just read the article in run 322, Dave Olson wrote and it’s an impressive article and it sounds like he (The Lionel Team) has our interest in mind, with the All New Cab 3 System. I met Dave and Ryan at York several years ago when they introduced the Sante Fe Steamer, brass hybrid model. He showed me all of the unique advantages of this locomotive with Blue Tooth control, and I made the purchase, and am very happy with this steamer. I’m excited about this new control system and I hope that TM Productions, or OGR makes an instructional video teaching us how to implement this system into our layout. Great thread. Happy Railroading Everyone
I think this was inevitable, considering the original TMCC was around since 1995, Legacy since 2007... I figured the components for the Cab2 were getting close to obsolescence. I'll hold out on the 'bridge' as long as my Legacy continues to work.
I surprised it took as long as it did to incorporate Bluetooth into the upper end Legacy products. I remember when Williams/Bachmann introduced Bluetooth control and thought why Lionel hadn't done something like that.
@DaveP posted:I surprised it took as long as it did to incorporate Bluetooth into the upper end Legacy products. I remember when Williams/Bachmann introduced Bluetooth control and thought why Lionel hadn't done something like that.
Williams didn't have command control, it was a major advance for them to have remote control. Lionel Legacy already has excellent remote control, so it wasn't as urgent a need as it was for Williams.
It’s a great article and just shows how much time and effort Dave and the whole engineering team put into this. From the article it doesn’t look like they were searching to discontinue the Cab-2 but with as old as it is then this Covid situation basically put the last nail in the coffin. With that I hope once this is out and stable they can revisit the Cab-2 or a physical Cab-3. Might just be a pipe dream but I’ll keep my fingers crossed
Mr. Olsen and team are rock stars for figuring this out. I am surprised that the Base3 is so small. It looks like it could be Dave's new cell phone. I will be ordering one.
Let's not forget that it was Dave Rees with his BlueRailTrains that first put Bluetooth into model trains. He used the long range BLE5 right from the start and Bachmann picked it up in their EZ-APP product line. His latest innovation is his BlueRailDCC module which can operate independently or in conjunction with a DCC decoder. PS: It works great.
We've all heard this bit of practical wisdom ... "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
My modest-size train layout is wired for TMCC, the initial version:
* PowerHouse, 135w
* Command Base
* PowerMaster
* CAB1.
I'll keep it in service for as long as it works, then shift to the CAB1L version.
Years ago, I bought some Lionel LEGACY locos, not because I wanted/needed LEGACY technology, but because they were Rock Island locos - my favorite RR. However, those locos require larger radius curvatures than my current layout (built years later in a space-limited Train Room) could provide. They are on display on the wall -- eager to run if/when I expand the Train Room as a larger addition to the house. That's a BIG if/when ...
Mike Mottler LCCA 12394
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@BillYo414 posted:He did say CAB1L will be around for "years to come". And I do hope that's true. I would think the profit margin is decent on that thing given it's simpler design.
Honestly, after reading the article, I'm just glad to see everything finally land under one roof.
I wish the CAB1L supported a slider for the whistle/horn. I feel like the control of the whistle is the biggest feature the Cab2 boasts.
@SuperChief posted:I wish the CAB1L supported a slider for the whistle/horn. I feel like the control of the whistle is the biggest feature the Cab2 boasts.
It does. It's pressure sensitive. It has to be setup when programming in a Legacy engine. Unless you are referring to the physical feel alone.
Further to MartyE's comment above about CAB1L's ability to 'quill' the whistle/horn, the Owner's Manual that came with the CAB-1L & BASE-1L Combo I bought a few years ago states in part "Hold down the SET key and press the WSTL/HRN key to toggle the whistle configuration between TMCC1 and LEGACY style for the current engine or train. The CAB-1L will beep once if the TMCC1 whistle style is selected, or it will beep twice if the LEGACY quilling whistle is selected instead."
It's a "poor man's" quilling on the CAB1L. It only has two steps, the Legacy controller has at least three different levels as you pull the control down.
Well, Neil Young and team put significant effort and time into developing the Cab II, and IMO, the Cab II was and is the cat's meow for controlling trains, so this is disappointing news. My Cab II is original ~ 2007 or thereabouts and still going, but with this news I need to find a spare because running trains from my I-Phone is not fun for me (and swiping touch screen technology is very challenging for folks with disabilities) and the Cab 1L - while a decent controller - is a step down in functionality. Both the slider whistle and brake levers on the Cab II are the most used and fun features - as well as the easy to read digital readout where I can see what train is pulled-up at any given moment.
I'm with you Paul, I love the range of sound and smoke effects you can get with the train brake and throttle.
GRJ - Regarding your "poor man's quilling" comment, that's why I didn't comment on the CAB-1L's effectiveness. 
@gunrunnerjohn posted:It's a "poor man's" quilling on the CAB1L. It only has two steps, the Legacy controller has at least three different levels as you pull the control down.
Thats the first time anyones mentioned this since its release. I'm sure glad I never bought one.
I actually only tried it a couple times years ago when I got the first CAB1L. When we were just talking about it, I figured I'd give it another try and see how it worked and compare it to the CAB2 operation.
The quill difficulty is my only beef with the CAB1L. Besides that, I love it. Lionel would make a compromise that is hard to resist if they came up with a quill button update to the CAB1L.
Where have you guys been for the past couple years? There isn't a single industry that isn't reeling from component obsolescence and/or production and supply chain issues. I for one welcome our new iPhone overlords. I could picture pointing my phone/tablet at an engine sitting there. The app accesses the camera, the camera uses OCR and sees the cab number and brings up the controls for that engine. Using RF tags on an accessory might pop up a quick set of controls for it. Putting a QR code sticker on a set of SC2s or whatever could pop up a set of switch controls. One could see where this is going I suppose. Hmm.
@MartyE posted:It does. It's pressure sensitive. It has to be setup when programming in a Legacy engine. Unless you are referring to the physical feel alone.
Ohh wow! That is great to know. Thank you, I just saw the button and thought it was push or not.
@Norm Charbonneau posted:I for one welcome our new iPhone overlords.
Since I do not now, nor ever am likely to own an iPhone, I don't welcome them. 
As much as I love the idea of running trains with your smart phone or tablet, I still love having the physical remote. I plan to buy the new Base3 and continue to use my Legacy Cab2 Remote as well. Perhaps Lionel will make a new Legacy Cab3 remote in the future so operators with the new system can still have a remote with all the cool features.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Since I do not now, nor ever am likely to own an iPhone, I don't welcome them.
"Time marches on and we must march with it or fall behind."
I'm no Apple salesman, but besides being an amazing camera, it is also an awesome engineering and modeling tool. I use vibe and measurement apps for reference in my professional and hobby life. It would be trivial to make a phone app make you never miss a 'tactile' (a cute word for clunky?) remote.
@rthomps posted:"Time marches on and we must march with it or fall behind."
I get along with a quality Samsung Android phone just fine. I'm in pretty good company, since Android based phones far outnumber IOS phones.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I get along with a quality Samsung Android phone just fine. I'm in pretty good company, since Android based phones far outnumber IOS phones.
At least you have a smart phone; I feared you had fallen into a deep Luddite trench.
iPhone or Android, whatever, the point I was trying to make is that would be lame if they just made a smart phone/tablet CAB-2 when a modern device is capable of so much more. Think about trying to build a remote from scratch with a camera, a LiDAR Scanner, an accelerometer, microphone, etc., I’m sure some are catching my drift (chuff)..
I was reading the other thread on the app wish list, it was terrible. Old, soggy ideas.
Although I have become a convert to the smart device app based wireless systems, I still run my TMCC and conventional (AC&DC) setup often. One interesting result I encountered during my app based systems testing is that iPhones and iPads have a consistently uniform approach to system connectivity. With Android devices, I found that the appropriate steps to connectivity with an installed loco system varied quite a bit from one brand of device to another brand of device. Once connected, Android works fine. Not a major issue, but worth mentioning.
I dig the remote and don't intend to retire it but I'm excited for all that the app will unlock. Lotta potential here! Especially after I saw some of the suggestions in the Wishlist thread. There were things I hadn't even thought about in there.
Team Android all the way! 
