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There is a long story, and a short story. Short story, to save you time so this does not happen to you - someone might be glad I posted this.  I had a guest over, gave him the second remote, it was not acting right. I thought it was him.

The next day, I tried it. CRAZY!!  Hard to find engine, start up delayed, engine not on track, out of RF range messages! Absolutely nuts, it worked great 2 days before.

Luckily, I knew what it was...the board in the remote must have worked loose. I watched the video again (thanks to the person that put that up!) and reseated the board....4 times. Neither time could I get more than 3 feet from the TIU before getting the bad messages.

So, I thought, "What else has changed?" (to be honest, I wanted to toss the whole mess into the garbage can - however the other remote seemed to work well.) Then I remembered that 2 days before, I wanted to up the voltage on the log loader UCS track. Bent down to move a transformer knob, and decided to raise the transformer up one level so I did not have to bend over. Moved on from there that day with my primary remote. BELOW is a picture of where that transformer sat, when the TIU signal was screwy!

After remembering the move, I put the old Lionel transformer back where it originally was...a distance of 8 vertical inches! It is shown in the second picture, on the right on the bottom shelf!

THE REMOTE WAS NORMAL!! 20 FEET AWAY, FULL, INSTANTANEOUS CONTROL!

Moved it back, all screwed up again! Someone may have experienced this before and posted, thus everyone on here is aware of what can happen, and this post is a waste of time. But, if anyone has this experience with older transformers, be aware that all the advice about loose boards, add foam to remote, reload your  engine, delete and add engine, etc. - they will be a complete waste of time if it is as simple as "transformer interferrence!" Maybe this helps one person.

When I originally searched for "no RF signal" what I found was into about re-seating the board, nothing to this effect.    Greg (oh..my remotes are #1 version 4.1 and #2 version 3.1 Both work fine.)

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Several years ago I upgraded my TIU’s and handhelds to V5.0. It seemed to me that ever since then I see a lot less of those kinds of error messages and now I wonder if the update may have “fixed” some errant electro-magnetic TIU interference. My main TIU sits right underneath a Z-4000 and close to a PC power supply as well as a Base1 and a Base 2. Who knows what magetic fields are in close enough proximity to be an issue?

Rod

@Rod Stewart posted:

Several years ago I upgraded my TIU’s and handhelds to V5.0. It seemed to me that ever since then I see a lot less of those kinds of error messages and now I wonder if the update may have “fixed” some errant electro-magnetic TIU interference. My main TIU sits right underneath a Z-4000 and close to a PC power supply as well as a Base1 and a Base 2. Who knows what magetic fields are in close enough proximity to be an issue?

Rod

Neither of those are older Lionel trans.

@Rod Stewart posted:

Several years ago I upgraded my TIU’s and handhelds to V5.0. It seemed to me that ever since then I see a lot less of those kinds of error messages and now I wonder if the update may have “fixed” some errant electro-magnetic TIU interference. My main TIU sits right underneath a Z-4000 and close to a PC power supply as well as a Base1 and a Base 2. Who knows what magetic fields are in close enough proximity to be an issue?

I'd be very surprised if magnetic fields are causing any anomalies in operation with of either the TIU or the Lionel command bases.

I'd be very surprised if magnetic fields are causing any anomalies in operation with of either the TIU or the Lionel command bases.

I, too, am curious about this.    On my old layout, my TIU sat right in between an old Lionel Type V, and an old Lionel RW transformer.   I was using those to power lights and accessories.

At the time I was using my original post war ZW-275 for track.  This was before I finalized my layout plans, and got my PH180 bricks.  I still use the old power for ancillary things around the layout.

I was running TMCC and DCS.

I never had any signal problems or remote communication problems with those old transformers that all sat together with my TIU and Command Base.  Of course, this does not discount what cngw has experienced, and if moving the transformer solved the issue, cool.

I have dealt with this type of thing with old, high power stage amps causing issues with the old 900mhz wireless systems for guitar and vocals.

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