GGD Santa Fe Super Chief Sets - Any Interest in Possible Special Option

I like the idea!

Jan

I think that is a very good idea.   Unfortunately for my wallet about 15 years ago I bought a PRB Regal sleeper to run in my Broadway  Limited.  I would consider buying a GGD Regal and selling the PRB one.  

Ed Rappe

Broadway Liminted 1953 time frame

thru cars to Los anglees

 Naslini         

 Klethla         

 Imperial Park

 Polacca         

 Kaibito         

 Imperial Point

 Mohave

Pick your era - pick your Broadway Limited NY-LA sleeper..

From 1946 through 1953 the ATSF transcontinental through car connection with the Broadway Limited was via The Chief.  In 1954 the ATSF  changed it to to The Super Chief.  According to  Harry Stegmaier's 1952 PRR passenger train book ATSF took delivery of the ACF "Regal" series 4-4-2 sleepers in 1950 augmenting the pre-war P-S Indian name series 4-4-2's.  In the early years of transcontinental ATSF-PRR service cars of both roads ran in each other's trains.  According to Stegmaier by 1952 only ATSF owned  cars covered the route as the Santa Fe wanted to have an all stainless look on its premier trains.   Thus if you model the postwar Broadway with a transcontinental 4-4-2 sleeper  one may want to consider time frame.  By the 1954 connection of the Super Chief with the Broadway Limited there is little question that ATSF Regal series cars were found just behind the RPO on the Broadway.

 A question for ATSF modelers - did the Regals replace the ATSF pre-war cars on the transcontinental route while it was via The Chief???

The answer is of interest to me as I've chosen 1952 (the last year T1's were in service) for my modeling era - and would like to run an appropriate ATSF sleeper in my Broadway Limited consist.  

Ed Rappe

Yes this might seem anal to some - but I've found era specific modeling to be fun to research - and with an added budget benefit of somewhat controlling my urge to buy anything PRR

Ed

Do you have Harry Stegmaier, Jr book - Pennsylvania Railroad Passenger Car Trains -1952 Volume 1 East-West Trains?

I think three cars that would fit your time frame are Hualpai, Naslini and Tchirege.

Charlie. I have the Stegmaier   1952 PRR passenger train consist book and Joe Walsh's Broadway Limited book.  Stegmaier's reference to 1950 delivery of the ACF Regal 4-4-2's leaves open the question if the older Indian 4-4-2's (three you mention) were dropped from the Chief's Broadway connection and replaced by Regal 4-4-2's.  Perhaps an ATSF fan can help.

Ed Rappe

Ed,

Lots of good information on the trans-continental PRR sleepers in the book, "Sleeping Cars of the Santa Fe" by Flick, Kogan and Lehmann.  

In 1946, the PRR supplied three 4-4-2 sleepers and the Santa Fe supplied five 6-6-4s.  One month later, ATSF changed to pre-war 4-4-2s.  In 1954, the ATSF supplied all the sleepers, Regal series 4-4-2s.

The PRR cars were painted in Pullman's 2-tone grey.

Specific cars from the Regal series assigned in 1954:

Regal Crest, Lane, Lark, Manor, Pass and Spa.  Pass is a PS car, the others are from ACF.

In 1957, Regal City, Inn, Ring, River, Ruby and Spa are assigned.  Inn and Spa are from ACF, the others from PS.

So, in 1952, ATSF used pre-war Indian-named 4-4-2s.

I highly recommend the book to any one interested in sleeping cars in general and on the ATSF in particular.

ChipR 

Found this on the Sante fe Historical Society web site.

American Car & Foundry 4-4-2 built in 1950: for the 1951 Super chief:

 Regal Arms, Regal Corps, Regal Court, Regal Crest, Regal Dome Regal Elm, Regal Gate, Regal Gulf, Regal Hunt, Regal Inn, Regal Isle, Regal Lane, Regal Lark, Regal Manor, Regal Spa

did the Regals replace the ATSF pre-war cars on the transcontinental route while it was via The Chief???

No, the closest listing I could find was November 8, 1953.  At that point, the Chief only used Regals from LA to Chicago while the pre War 4-4-2's were still used for through (LA to NYC) service.  It seems it wasn't until 1954 that Regals went transcontinental.   This goes along with what ChipR posts above.

Thanks for the info guys.  Would anyone like to purchase a PRB Regal Manor?  Does anyone have a a GGD The Chief 4-4-2 they would like to sell? 

My 1952 self limitation aside, I still think GGD offering single ATSF Regal series sleepers might generate several orders from PRR Broadway Limited and NYC  20th Century Limited modelers, and possibly evenan  ATSF Super Chief modeler wanting a longer train.

Ed Rappe

Hi Ed,

 GGD will be offering individual SF 4-4-2 cars with correct names for PRR and NYC run through service when the SF early 1950's Super Chief train is done. This decision was made yesterday.

GGD will be offering individual SF 4-4-2 cars with correct names for PRR and NYC run through service when the SF Chief train is done. This decision was made yesterday.

Are you saying that GGD is also going to do the Chief along with the Super Chief?  If so, will GGD be offering the NYC and Pennsy cars that ran on the Chief?

Marker,

See my clarified post regarding the 4-4-2 cars. Only the Super Chief is on the planning board.

Are you SF modelers going to lobby Atlas for warbonnet F units?

I recall that there was an ATSF run-through sleeper on B&O's Capitol Limited. 

I know this because Dad often travelled from D.C. to the left coast on business, departing D.C.'s Union Station, boarding this fantastic shiney silver Santa Fe anomaly in the blue-grey Cap.  He would tell about the transfer options in Chicago...stay on the car and suffer through incarceration for a few hours without heat or a/c, or get off in Chicago and make one's way at their own expense to the departing station.  This was the preferred option...assuming everything was on schedule...since it afforded brief sightseeing, a meal at a stable-table, and exercising one's sea-legs.

In fact, it was this departure/arrival of Dad at D.C.'s Union Station sometimes 2-3 times a year on the shiney silver Santa Fe car and Lionel's release of the 2343 gorgeous Santa Fe F's (which I still have and cherish) that led me to favor this road in in the hobby.  Never rode the Santa Fe, never rode a train west of the Mississippi until everything became homogenized in the blender of Amtrak.

So, how about it?  A B&O run-through car on the list?

KD

rheil - Thanks for the clarification.  One thing I'd like to bring up is if GGD does makes anything more than one set available, they might consider two named sets.  I'd be interested in more than one set if I could get the second with different names and numbers.

This will be the only set of Santa Fe scale cars available, possibly for many years. 

With regard to Atlas F's, assuming 3rd rail has no interest, Atlas did such a nice job on their Western Pacific F's creating the look of stainless panels, I will lobby for a late Santa Fe (Phase 4 or 5) F3's with stainless panels and stainless horizontal grill.

A good explanation on the web pages below:

http://trainweb.org/jfuhrtrain...ses/F2F3F5chart.html

http://trainweb.org/jfuhrtrain...es/F2F3F5chartx.html

Look at the nice job Atlas did replicating the stainless panels on the WP unit.  You can see the painted vs. stainless sections.

KD,

Yes, there was a car on the B&O Cap to Chicago and beyond to LA via the Santa Fe Chief.  Beginning in 1946, it utilized Santa Fe P-S built Valley series 6-6-4s.  Of the 7 cars required, 6 were in shadow lining and one in 2-tone gray.

In 1951, the sleeper line was extended to San Diego, becoming the longest sleeper trip in the US using one car.  During August 1954, the car was changed to a Santa Fe Pine series 10-6, built by Budd.

ChipR