Graffiti--a question to ponder

I prefer murals and muralists to graffiti and"taggers". 

 

http://www.thewalldogs.com/eve...le/albums/list0.html

I have to say it.... that answer was DY NO MIIIIIIITE!

 

 

Maybe these count as old-fashioned railroad graffiti. Possibly good for a chuckle or smirk. It's the modern en-mass bubble-tagging that I really despise. 

 

 

Seen at Black Butte/Weed, northern California 2003.

Hi Jumijo, Elvis was also one of the great Gospel singers as well as everything else he did.

I hate to say this but I did not appreciate him when I was in my mid teens, he was not one of the Beatles or Beach Boys.  I still love the songs of the B & BB's but as far as the El was concered I was living in the dark ages for that two or three year period of my life.

 

But there I go again steeling a perfectly good thread. So lets get back on track, I bet Elvis never did any graffiti when he was a kid!

 

Guys, Guys,

 

I see we go round and round on this topic.....with no end in sight! Each one of us sees it from a different angle! I suppose you each have your own modeling preferences I personally don't care for graffiti but will on occasion decorate my Water Tank with appropriate hobo markings. You are all free to decorate your cars in the way you see fit.

 

My town is fictional the Police are strict. There is no room for dissent or gang bangers. The hobos have their end of town, the town people the other. The hobos are on the wrong side of the tracks! Mostly they don't mix with the employed. Hobos live a hard, dangerous life on the fringe of society.

 

Mike Maurice

 

 

http://calebneelon.com/2013/04...allel-rails-ichabod/

An in-depth article about  a well-recognized graffiti artist.

On the Elvis  side  note. I grow up in the 50 Cent matinees watching Elvis,James Bond and Godzilla. Was not until I married a southern woman that I was exposed to his Gospel albums. He made  more Gospel records than rock 'n roll albums. And explain the real reason why he was the king in the southern  during the 60's. In hindsight his movie  stuff was pretty lame. But I fell in love with Ann-Margret in Speedway.

With the article is a whole gallery of freight cars that he has " decorated"

Could be a nice prototype for modeling if you are so inclined.

I read the article, he's a pathetic, worthless, unemployed slug of a human being. He thinks people who go to work are just drones doing what he calls a "bizarre custom" (getting up and shaving, going to work to earn money to survive with).

 

 

To quote him:

" Everything people do for employment seems very indirect. You rent yourself out as a worker drone to someone for barterable coin that can be exchanged for goods and services that you need. It’s very alien to me. "

 

It's called having a job and being responsible jack***!

 

He refers to the cars he's defaced as his:

 

"But to do graffiti and come back to the spot, or especially to go to a different part of the country and see one of my freights roll by, it definitely is a reminder that I exist. "

 

Not once in the article is the topic of defacing property that doesn't belong to him brought up. He see's it as making a mark on the world, to show that he exists, I'd like to think that any mark I might make on this world would be a little more than some scribble on the side of a freight car or bridge abutment.

While he may have artistic talent(questionable) to call him an artist would be akin to calling Jack The Ripper a surgeon, you sort of do the same thing as a real one but not exactly.

 

Jerry

Gee Jerry, that sounds like me talking. 

 

I just had a thought, how about we put this slug to work and let him pay to buy the property he defaced?

The guy grew up with undiagnosed Asbergers Disorder which is a type of autism.
You guys really  come across as oozing hate.

At least this guy was able to reconize his shortcomings.
Maybe we should work him to death cleaning every car he painted.

Fred

Any plastic or metal figure found involved in graffiti on my layout will be melted down.

He self diagnosed himself:

"He began to research the features of Asperger’s, and saw himself again and again in the descriptions. "

 

No where in the article does it say he was professionally diagnosed just that he saw himself in the description.

 

I guess now we can blame not wanting to work and a habitual desire to destroy other peoples property on some mental incapacity that we have to tolerate.

Don't call me a hater Fred, I have the utmost sympathy for people who truly have mental health issues and complete disdain for those who hide behind it as a facade to blame for their own personal shortcomings. He claims he can't get motivated to work or hold a job but can find the motivation to tag sometimes 5 cars a day and about 3000 so far and he knows he has to work fast so he doesn't get caught which means he knows it's wrong, time for the shovels and boots!

As for cleaning every car he's vandalized it shouldn't take him any longer to repaint them as he took to deface them, certainly less complicated paint schemes than he did. He's lucky, in the old days the railroad police would give him a wooden shampoo if they caught him doing this.

There's a world of difference between this:

 And this:

 If he's so talented why are all the cars essentially painted the same way, with his tag?

 

Jerry

First of all I never said he was talented.
And following your logic, Frank Sinatra and all those others who sang the same trademark song for yearsor those stage actors who do the same show over and over on Broadway are a bunch of talentless wankers.

Also not all mental disorders fit into a defined category. Most fit into a broad spectrum and several are also self defined. ( most addictions fall into this category)
But at  54 I was able to self reconize my  own ADHD but it did require a psychiatrist to confirm so that I was able to get a prescription.
And despite that I am still a successful buisness owner and single dad of two young children.
But I am sure that there are a lot of affluent people who love your work ethic but also laugh all the way to the bank while thinking that you are a loser for being so dam gullible.
The old saying is that " if hard work is  really the way to riches, then the rich would have a monopoly on it."
But your thought process is to deep for me, so I am going to disengage from this discussion. Clearly everything is simple, and you are correct on everthing.
Maybe you should write a guidebook to fix our society.
Wait I think that ha been tried. One guy was German and the other Chinese.
LOL

FUNNY HOW YOU DONT LIKE GRAFFITI,BUT IF A HOBO WRITES ON SOMETHING ITS APPROPRIATE? ITS STILL GRAFFITI.OR DOES THE HOBO OWN THE PROPERTY?

HOBOS WRITE GRAFFITI ALSO.PERIOD.

Difference is people want to hear Frank sing New York New York nobody wants more graffiti on things. Performers give the public what they want or is popular, taggers do it even tho they know no one wants it.

 

Jerry

Given the demographic of this hobby and forum I find it hard to believe that there are people sticking up for worthless vandals who are trying to screw things up for the rest of us because they somehow feel maligned by society. I can't say I know a single person who has had a perfectly smooth journey through life and this "You should feel sorry for them because they have Asberger's" or whatever other made-up psychological malady is popular this week is a bunch of bunk. We have all had difficulties, and if we all lashed out at society with vindictiveness instead of buckling up our pants and plodding forward, trying to make things a little better, this world would be nothing but a giant ghetto populated with a bunch of starving crybabies feeling sorry for themselves. I have been in the construction business for the last quarter century and I have endured a lot of vandalism, and I can assure you that I do not consider it "art", nor do I shed a tear for the poor , poor vandals who are doing it even if they want to bellyache about how bad they have got it.

 

Here is a question for those that think vandalism is art: If you were walking through the park on a beautiful Sunday morning with your wife and came upon a parkbench where a bum had taken a giant stinky dump the previous night, would you say " Look honey, what a wonderful artistic expression! I bet the artist had a very rough childhood, maybe he even had Asberger's. I sure am glad he is sharing his feelings with us." Give me a break.

 

If you choose to include graffiti in your layout because it is a part of the modern backdrop I understand that, but I will never believe this malarkey about worthless vandals somehow being "artists".

Just had to jump back in. This is too funny.
One of you claims to speak for "everyone"

And the other one not only "knows" the forum demographic but is amazed that others actually think different than him.

I think the label " narcissist" has been misappropriated to the wrong people.

LOL
FMH

Am I the only one who sees a bit of irony in someone who says he has a psychological disorder which hinders his ability to pay attention insisting on telling the world about his in-depth analysis of vandalism , those who engage in it and why, and how it affects society?

In the "real world," tagging property that is not one's own is both illegal and immoral.  There can be no legitimate argument to the contrary.

 

In the model railroading world, you can do whatever you care to and "ban" graffiti altogether, or elect to splash it all over every locomotive, piece of rolling stock, and structure you display (please don't bother submitting photos of the latter type to the magazine, though). 

 

Nobody here is going to change anybody else's mind on the subject, and so long as we all agree that applying graffiti to someone else's property without the property owner's permission is an illegal act (not a disputable point in any case), what else can really be said?

And clearly you have differculty with  reading comprehension because I never analyzed anything.
And never defended any behavior.

Now are you trying to belittle people with disorders.

I really hope you do not represent the demographic on this forum.

You certainly have the art of playing the victim down pat, I see why you identify with vandals who use excuses to lash out at society.

 

I never belittled anyone. I simply pointed out something that I thought was ironic. Saying that I have "differculty with  reading comprehension" definitely is an attempt to belittle someone though. In my opinion that is another example of irony.

 

 

The irony is that what you wrote clearly shows that you did not comprehend what was written by me.

I can not change that.
The irony only exists in your head.

Is it ironic that a paraplegic would discuss football?

I give up. 

Why don't you read the thread from the begining.

I did read this thread from the beginning, and I have in fact comprehended everything that I have read.

 

If you do not agree with my opinions you are entitled to do so and I welcome hearing your opinion, but I will ask that you please refrain from taking cheap swipes at my intellect instead of elaborating on why you disagree.

You guys need to settle down and go play trains