Green MTH New York Central Passenger Cars

I remember green ones but am not sure if the color is accurate.  As I remember them the green was a duller color and may have said "Pullman" on them. 

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Dennis

These cars might be painted for one of the NYC Subsideraries. Check the description or cab number on the engine. The two tone brown cars they did a few years ago were for the the Big Four and the cab number on the Hudson was 6xxx.

 

Pete

Cars such as these can be seen on Pentrex's New YorK Central Odyssey.

 

Rusty

'Pullman Green' was a favored colour.

In the 1930's United Parcel Service came out with 'Pullman Brown' on their vehicles.

These are just two colours to know of, some roads had their own colors.
Ralph

This looks like the scheme on the PW 2400s:

 

http://www.postwarlionel.com/c...in/postwar?ITEM=2400

How many noticed these are streamline cars, not heavyweights?

 

Pete

Pete,

I see that they are streamlined cars, since I dot know the answer and only gave the color for consideration, would you know the name of the green color on these streamlined cars? 

If, so, then please, if you would, advise me.

Thank you.

Ralph

Ralph, I am not familiar with these cars and I follow NYC. Rusty says he has seen videos of them but I wonder if they were on the parent company tracks or one of its subsidiaries. 

BTW I checked the MTH website for this set and while the title says NYC Hudson passenger set, the description talks about the PRR T-1 engine so no help there.

 

Pete

Thank you Pete.

What, I just found, which might help, a mention of 'Pacemaker' green:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/...ODELS-PASS-PAINT.htm

Ralph

I am searching the Intreee-Net, to find 'Pacemaker' green, but to no avail!!!!

I wonder, if 'Pacemaker' green IS also known as 'Pullman Brown', as on the U.P.S. vehicles and as I just previously mentioned, in an above post, but the above posted photo. of MTH's cars are of a GREEN?!!

I guess, a phone. call to MTH might be of some assistance?!

Ralph

Can anyone show the color, or the approximate color, of N.Y. Central 'Pacemaker' green?

Thank you,

Ralph

I wonder if the prototype for these cars was the inspiration for the Lionel 2400s

I took note of these cars but am stumped on the color as well. This is the usual color scheme on NYC Heavyweights but I've never seen it on streamliners. If it did exist I would guess it was part of the sloppy mix of cars usually seen in late-era NYC steam operations, rather than a consistent train like this MTH set.

Boy, I wish that you hadn't pointed these out. I missed them in the catalogue (of course, until I get the paper copy I won't look at it in detail), and now...

 

The Central did have various schemes, as mentioned. I have the "upscale" RK Michigan

Central (NYC) set in brown and creme - correct, but not considered a very NYC-ish scheme.

 

I -think- that the color/scheme is correct, at least within our liberal Hi-Rail world.

 

I may order them. 

AS in my previous three posts above, regarding 'PACEMAKER' green, for some more confusion, to try and clear things up:

http://www.canadasouthern.com/...ODELS-PASS-PAINT.htm

Ralph

I believe, the MTH photo. that Greg 773 posted and the Lionel photo. that John posted and according to the NYC link that I posted, IS 'PACEMAKER' GREEN!

Ralph

I emailed MTH if they could give me anymore info on these passenger cars. They told me they were introduced in 1941 which coincides with the reference in Ralph's link to the Canada Southern webpage and 1941 Pacemaker Green.

I am thinking that these green streamliners replaced the two tone gray heavyweights on the Pacemaker passenger train about this time. Can anyone confirm this and has anyone come across any photos of this train? Up to this time the only NYC streamliners I have seen are the two tone gray 20th Century Cars and the stainless cars.

 

Pete

I believe that the Pullman-Standard lightweight electric m-u cars that the NYC received in 1950 were green with accent stripes like these MTH cars.  Any confirmation from those who actually saw these m-u's in the pre-Penn Central era would be appreciated.

 

As to main line lightweight cars in the green paint, I'm following this with interest and some skepticism, as I am suspicious that this is another MTH fantasy scheme.  But, although I have been watching trains since the late 1940's, I have lived in the southwest all my life, a long, long way from the New York Central.  So I'll take my beating if I'm wrong.

Thank you Norton and Tom,

To all, if you have noticed in my post of "Canada Southern" regarding passenger paint schemes of the N.Y.C., it mentions that the 'Pacemaker' green was used for both 'Heavy' & 'Lightweight' passenger cars, but no other further descriptive notations are given.

So, go figure.

I have not seen a 'Pacemaker' green passenger car, 'Heavy,' or 'Light,' so far in my lifetime, in person, or in a photo.

Even, my "NYCS Color Guide To Passenger & Freight Cars Volume I" by David R. Sweetland and Robert J. Yanosey, copyright 1994, Morning Sun Books, is, or are NOT any mention. or photos. of a, or any, passenger cars wearing 'Pacemaker' green paint.

I would like to see a color photo. of same.

Ralph 

 

I have since cast doubt on my theory that the Pacemaker Passenger train might have received these cars in 1941. It seems the first use of streamline cars for the Pacemaker came in 1946 after the war and the cars were stainless, unpainted Budd cars. 

 

Pete

Here is more confusion:

In the first paragraph as to the mentioning of:

a 'Red'-and-'White' DIAMOND herald (NOT OVAL) of The Pacemaker Service.

                                              AND

In the beginning, of the last paragraph;  

"The original Pacemaker cars were green."

BUT, there are/is no other descriptive mentioning of the type of railcar(s") and no mentioning of dates.

 

I tried to E.-Mail Mr. Ken Kinlock, the author, but to no avail.

Maybe someone else will try to communicate with Mr. Kinlock.

http://www.ominousweather.com/NYCLines.html

Ralph

 

Here is more confusion:

In the first paragraph as to the mentioning of:

a 'Red'-and-'White' DIAMOND herald, (NOT OVAL), of The Pacemaker Service.

                                              AND

In the beginning, of the last paragraph;  

"The original Pacemaker cars were green."

BUT, there are/is no other descriptive mentioning of the type of railcar(s") and no mentioning of dates.

 

I tried to E.-Mail Mr. Ken Kinlock, the author, but to no avail.

Maybe someone else will try to communicate with Mr. Kinlock.

 

Scroll Down to the 'Yellow' background entitled:  "New York Central Pacemaker Service,"

to read all, of the little, that I have just posted:

http://www.ominousweather.com/NYCLines.html

Ralph

 

RJL; Boy you learn something new every day.     30 years @ UPS and I never heard the term "Pullman Brown" We always called it UPS Brown. I had to look it up after reading your post. Thanks for the lesson.

Didn't mean to hi-jack this thread.

Spence you are very welcome and you did not hi-jack any of my posts.

I knew of 'Pullman Green', but I did not know of the 'Pullman Brown' color until I searched Wikipedia for the establishment date of 'United Parcel Service.'

I used to refer to that U.P.S. special color as 'Golden Brown.'

Back in the late '40's one of my uncles who had hands of gold, like Brother Love, Malcolm, worked in the body shop for U.P.S. in Queens, N.Y.C., L.I., N.Y.S. and he and a fellow worker were the only two who knew how to mix the U.P.S'. special 'Pullman Brown' paint.

If, he were still alive, I would have asked him, as he would have known, since that special color has been in use before the '40's.

Here's the link regarding 'Pullman Brown'

Scroll down while reading:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Parcel_Service

Ralph

A couple years back I converted a MTH freight station to a UPS building and painted it with the Pullman brown color.

It has to be a beautiful creation.

Enjoy it Spence,

Ralph