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Help with PW 243X Lionel Lines Passenger Cars

raising4daughtersraising4daughtersOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

This is a follow-up to a similar thread.  I have a PW 2432 Lionel Lines Clifton Vista Dome car and want to find and purchase the cars that go with it. On the prior thread, several pointed out this car in several sets, including a Summit or Mooseheart observation car and Elizabeth and Newark passenger cars without the dome.

 

I purchased a Summit observation car off an auction site and am disappointed with its color.  It's more gray than silver. As shown in the attached, it's closer to the gray 242X cars with the darker gray tops (that came with the UP set), also shown below.  The Clifton vista dome is a nice shiny silver. At a minimum, I'd say the Summit observation car has a matte finish.

 

Anyone know the history here well enough to guide me on what's a good match?  Were there multiple shades manufactured?  If so, it'll be hard to find a match online since people's photos are often not overly clear.

 

I see that WBB offers matching cars (including the Clifton dome) in the Luxury Lines livery.  Would these be a safe bet?

 

Thanks 

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gandydancer1950gandydancer1950OGR Forum Member

Lionel's silver pant was notorious for fading, scratching and rubbing. Most postwar 243x, 244x passenger cars, silver tank and box cars, and the Alcoa hopper etc. have these problems. Repro roofs are available but then at times the shiny new roofs don't match the slightly faded car sides due to age. Also,your Clifton roof could be a repro.

raising4daughtersraising4daughtersOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER

CW and Jim

 

Do you think the Clifton in the center is the more accurate and I got hosed on the observation car?  The Clifton dome car came from my grandfather who was the original adult owner, and I'm certain he kept it as pristine as possible. No scratches nor signs of a repro part on it.

 

I'm betting the shiny silver is what's to expect, not the matted, almost gray like the UP set on the right.  Is that what you'd bet?

 

 

gandydancer1950gandydancer1950OGR Forum Member
You are correct. Those cars, when new, were nice shiny silver. As they aged and were played with the silver faded slightly over time but not to the extent of those gray roofed cars of yours. Those grey roofed cars are supposed to be that color as they were an earlier series of 2400 style passenger cars.Originally Posted by raising4daughters:

CW and Jim

 

Do you think the Clifton in the center is the more accurate and I got hosed on the observation car?  The Clifton dome car came from my grandfather who was the original adult owner, and I'm certain he kept it as pristine as possible. No scratches nor signs of a repro part on it.

 

I'm betting the shiny silver is what's to expect, not the matted, almost gray like the UP set on the right.  Is that what you'd bet?

 

 

 

raising4daughtersraising4daughtersOGR Forum Member SUPPORTING MEMBER
Originally Posted by gandydancer1950:
You are correct. Those cars, when new, were nice shiny silver. As they aged and were played with the silver faded slightly over time but not to the extent of those gray roofed cars of yours. Those grey roofed cars are supposed to be that color as they were an earlier series of 2400 style passenger cars.Originally Posted by raising4daughters:

CW and Jim

 

Do you think the Clifton in the center is the more accurate and I got hosed on the observation car?  The Clifton dome car came from my grandfather who was the original adult owner, and I'm certain he kept it as pristine as possible. No scratches nor signs of a repro part on it.

 

I'm betting the shiny silver is what's to expect, not the matted, almost gray like the UP set on the right.  Is that what you'd bet?

 

 

 

To be clear, the one on the right is NOT from this set.  It's supposed to be gray and is part of the UP Alco FA set.  I just showed it to show that the Summit on the left is similar to it and not so similar to its supposed matching car in the center.

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