Hooray at last Lionel gives us legacy event sequence control for tmcc engines.

Are you talking about the record feature of the sensor track in coordination with the REA Sensor car?

arty yes I have been using it on my legacy engines for some time, but wanted to do the same with my tmcc engines.

marty 

Yes this is a nice feature.  I have been doing this for some time.

awesome!  thanks for posting!  I did not know about the sensor car... went right out and ordered one.  

tangoman posted:

Finally we now have ability to add legacy event sequence control to our tmcc engines via the lionel infra red system. I really love the sequence control feature of legacy. the ability to program a sequence of events as the engine moves on the track. I have shied away from 3rd rail engines because of the lack of that feature. Now lionel gives that ability with the 6-83519 REA IR Sensor car. I hooked it up to my beautiful 3rd rail mohawk, and lo and behold it had sequence control. It really is cool to see the mohawk whistle, ring bell, talk to tower, slow down, speed up in auto sequence. Thank you Lionel for another great technical product. Now to figure out how to change fastrak switches with it. 

Not that you did a bad job of explaining this.  I'd like to know more about this.    I use sequence control often.  I think the combination of the sound cars plus sequence control is really as good as gets.  I cant imagine not using them in that way.    However I too have many early tmcc and third rail engines that i'd like to use something like this with.  So this car can only be used with a sensor track?  

jeremy ferrell posted:

Not that you did a bad job of explaining this.  I'd like to know more about this.    I use sequence control often.  I think the combination of the sound cars plus sequence control is really as good as gets.  I cant imagine not using them in that way.    However I too have many early tmcc and third rail engines that i'd like to use something like this with.  So this car can only be used with a sensor track?  

It's been a while since I've used mine but this post makes me think I need to pull it out.

The Sensor Boxcar 6-83519 basically gives you the ability to use the sensor track with older Legacy engines and TMCC engines that are not equipped with a IR sensor.  You pair it with a Legacy or TMCC locomotive so it assumes the engines identity.  It allows a locomotive be identified in a CAB2 once paired with an engine and on the LCS iPAD app.  There are some things to consider when using it with a non Legacy engine.

When used with a Legacy engine that does not have a sensor already, it will give the functionality of when passing over the sensor track it will trigger the preset actions in the engine such as grade crossing signal or bell ringing etc.  It also gives you the ability to make and trigger recordings using the sensor track's record function.  Basically giving it all of the features of a Legacy locomotive with a factory installed IR sensor.

When used with a TMCC engine, you must make a recording for it to do much of anything.  The native "language" of the sensor track is Legacy.  A TMCC will not respond to those preset actions so you must make a recording using the sensor track. Because your CAB2 will be sending TMCC signals (not Legacy) out during the recording the sensor track will then record those TMCC commands.  Then during playback the TMCC command will be repeated for the TMCC engine all triggered when the sensor car goes over the sensor track.

Unless he found a hidden command, the sensor track and boxcar alone cannot make a TMCC engine have what we know as "Sequence Control".  It may work with a Legacy engine, I've never tried it.

I am tagging @Railsounds and @SantaFeFan as these 2 guys were heavily involved and could tell us what the manual doesn't.  If not I'll pull mine out and do some in depth research this week.  

The sensor car was not a big seller for Lionel.  I thought it would be as it really does a lot for older locomotives.

MartyE posted:

jeremy ferrell posted:

Not that you did a bad job of explaining this.  I'd like to know more about this.    I use sequence control often.  I think the combination of the sound cars plus sequence control is really as good as gets.  I cant imagine not using them in that way.    However I too have many early tmcc and third rail engines that i'd like to use something like this with.  So this car can only be used with a sensor track?  

It's been a while since I've used mine but this post makes me think I need to pull it out.

The Sensor Boxcar 6-83519 basically gives you the ability to use the sensor track with older Legacy engines and TMCC engines that are not equipped with a IR sensor.  You pair it with a Legacy or TMCC locomotive so it assumes the engines identity.  It allows a locomotive be identified in a CAB2 once paired with an engine and on the LCS iPAD app.  There are some things to consider when using it with a non Legacy engine.

When used with a Legacy engine that does not have a sensor already, it will give the functionality of when passing over the sensor track it will trigger the preset actions in the engine such as grade crossing signal or bell ringing etc.  It also gives you the ability to make and trigger recordings using the sensor track's record function.  Basically giving it all of the features of a Legacy locomotive with a factory installed IR sensor.

When used with a TMCC engine, you must make a recording for it to do much of anything.  The native "language" of the sensor track is Legacy.  A TMCC will not respond to those preset actions so you must make a recording using the sensor track. Because your CAB2 will be sending TMCC signals (not Legacy) out during the recording the sensor track will then record those TMCC commands.  Then during playback the TMCC command will be repeated for the TMCC engine all triggered when the sensor car goes over the sensor track.

Unless he found a hidden command, the sensor track and boxcar alone cannot make a TMCC engine have what we know as "Sequence Control".  It may work with a Legacy engine, I've never tried it.

I am tagging @Railsounds and @SantaFeFan as these 2 guys were heavily involved and could tell us what the manual doesn't.  If not I'll pull mine out and do some in depth research this week.  

The sensor car was not a big seller for Lionel.  I thought it would be as it really does a lot for older locomotives.

thank you for the details on this.   Shame on me for not giving it a better look in the catalog.   However something like this might have greatly benefitted from a video detailing all it could do.   Shoot for all i know there is one out there somewhere.   Sounds like a really neat product and i appreciate all the work that went into it.  

This thread shows the lack of emphasis that Lionel put on the LCS system in general, and the sensor car in particular.  I bought several of these for peanuts from people that had them and didn't know what to do with them.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

This thread shows the lack of emphasis that Lionel put on the LCS system in general, and the sensor car in particular.  I bought several of these for peanuts from people that had them and didn't know what to do with them.

John I 100% agree.

MTH has done such a better job at least at York and other shows I attended than Lionel.  Besides a few times when JonZ attended and Dave a few years back made the pedestal their commitment to show off all that LCS and Legacy is all about has been disappointing.  Some of the videos do a pretty good job but IMO folks would like to see this up front and personal.

Exactly Marty, I always wondered when the "deluxe" LCS demo was going to come.  You did a much better job showing it off in the LUG gatherings than Lionel ever did.

I bought a number of REA sensor cars and specific road name cars which were identical physically and transferred the sensor frames and guts to the rr road cars so that the sensor car hides in the consist.

Of course I ended up with a number of empty REA cars...but easy to sell.

I never did buy into the LCS system. As long as I have my CAB2 I’m a happy camper. 

My favorite IR triggered recording is backing into a siding over a sensor and having the train slow to a stop, ringing the bell, and reset to forward 

According to Lionel they have a stash of these cars.  I've always looked for them at the Warehouse sale but never seen any.

I for the life of me can not understand why Lionel has not pushed ir control system. it is so slick with so many possibilities to go beyond just manually ring a bell and blow a whistle. 

I understand the early REA cars had problems with them. when I first inquired about buying one , I was told to wait until new units came on line that did not have the problem. not sure if true, but when my unit came it worked like a charm. my only gripe was the manual for the car was worthless. I had to go to the sensor track manual to understand the three different operating mode setups and how to program them. 

As I recall, there was no problem with the SensorCar itself. There was a problem using it with TMCC locos until Lionel released version 1.61 of the CAB-2 software.