I just recently received my Sunset 3rd Rail E9 AA set decorated for the Union Pacific. The ABA set that Union Pacific still runs for excursion service has no Mars light, but instead a Western Cullen rotary beacon on the cab as well as a pair of ditch lights on the nose. I have the detail parts, but I also want to light them up using the factory decoder. The Titan decoder and wiring diagram on their website looks completely different from the one inside the units. Their website says their phone lines are down for building maintenance and to instead send them an e-mail, however I've gotten no respnse from them. Does anyone out there know which wires and/or connector recepticles are used for the Mars light or ditch lights? Any help would be appreciated.
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There was a recent very long thread on here about QSI. Do a search.
Bill
Mike,
Do you have the shell off. My UP E-8's have a separate board in the nose that is hard wired individually to all the lights. Not sure if this is strictly a board to condense all the lights or the actually lighting board?
BH
There are two different QSI companies and it can be confusing.
QSIndustries (located in Oregon) ownes the patented DCC decoder designs used by Sunset and others. QSIndustries sells the rights to produce decoders to OEM's like Sunset, AtlasO, and several HO importers. The OEM's typically have the boards manufactured in the far east. To the best of my knowledge QSIndustries does not manufacturer DCC sound decoders.
QSI-Solutions (located in Vermont) is a small company which has an exclusive agreement with QSI-Industries to produce and sell aftermarket decoders built to QSI designs. In addition to selling decoders, QSI Solutions has a web site which hosts downloadable sound sets that can be loaded on most QSI designs - whether made for OEMs (like Sunset) or produced by QSI Solutions for after market sales. In the past year or so QSI Solutions (correction made) seems to have run into hard times and has been criticized on the internet for poor customer support and lack of product.
Sunset 3rd Rails licensing agreement is with QSIndustries and they are still in business. QSIindustries@Yahoogroups.com is a message forum where you can post QSI DCC questions. My recommendation would be to first contact Scott Mann and ask if he can send you a diagram of the decoder board used in his diesels.
QSI Solutions (Vermont) is completely out of business (has been for months). QS Industries (Oregon) is still around, but is probably on life support. The Sound Files on the QSI Solutions website are the most recent Q3 files, and are vastly superior to what Scott Mann loads into the models. He uses the long out-of-date Q2-FX, because they are smaller and download much more quickly (time is money). They are also not as realistic.
The decoder that Scot installs is the OEM Titan DO, which CAN be uploaded with the current Q3 Large Scale sound file for the EMD 567 (dual prime movers), found on the QSI Solutions website, but it will require the use of the QSI Quantum Programmer.
As Ed Rappe mentioned, the OEM board in your loco is a completely different design from the QSI aftermarket board that you found the drawing of. The OEM boards also offers fewer features and lighting functions than the aftermarket device.
Matt Forsyth
Forsyth Rail Services
The newest Sunset diesels are supposed to be getting the Q3 files. Not sure if that includes the E8/9.
I personally can't tell what might be wrong with the Q2. It sounds like an EMD to me. I can tell an Alco from an EMD but that is about it!
I have dealt with QSI Solutions in the past for information and help and got lots. they emailed me a schematic for the E7 decoder that worked just fine. It had about 12 light ports.
I would suggest asking Scott or QSI Solutions for a wiring schematic for the decoder.
Scott and Jonathan will most likely jump in to this conversation and we can all learn.
BH
Yep, Here I am:
We spent the last year working with QSI OR as they developed a fast loader bottom board for us, so we could reliably reprogram Q3 level files into production quantity boards. So the E8/E9 was the first to do this.
The top board electronics have not changed since our first diesel the E7.
But I am no DCC expert and I know you can adjust the Ports on your models using a QSI Programmer with relative ease. There are about 4 additional ports available to what we already use and the FX-DO top board diagram attached shows the relationship between pin outs and port number.
We can't warranty the electronics once they are modified. But they can be modified.
Enjoy.