I do have to say, the Locomotive was pretty easy overall, many times cramming all the stuff in is a tight squeeze, not so for this job.
@CentralFan1976 posted:Nice work, gentlemen. An excellent model of a gorgeous Hudson.
Thanks!
- Mario
PS; I'm glad to fall outside of "most" people. Inspection lights are one of my favorite details of my CV.
I like how you sneak in Mario,…..all of this is your fault!…..you understand that, correct?….😁
Pat
Fantastic engine. Hopefully Lionel will remake the C&O Yellowbelly Hudson with Legacy and a lot of improvements and feature it in the upcoming 2023 V1 catalog.
@harmonyards posted:I like how you sneak in Mario,…..all of this is your fault!…..you understand that, correct?….😁
Pat
I don’t own the restaurants; I just order from the menu.
And @gunrunnerjohn is certainly part owner of this establishment.
@Dylan the Train Man posted:Fantastic engine. Hopefully Lionel will remake the C&O Yellowbelly Hudson with Legacy and a lot of improvements and feature it in the upcoming 2023 V1 catalog.
I think three days isn't long enough for them to start that project and get it into the catalog! 
John, are you leaving the original RSII sound or upgrading that as well?
This conversion looks fantastic and further inspires me to tear mine down and rebuild it.
@Ryan Selvius posted:John, are you leaving the original RSII sound or upgrading that as well?
This conversion looks fantastic and further inspires me to tear mine down and rebuild it.
Sadly, the original RS2 board does not read the chuff from the serial data stream, so I can't use it. I'm digging through my stock of RS4 boards to see what I'll use for sounds.
Is that typical for cruise commanders and RSII boards? A number of the CV upgrades I’ve seen lately have retained the original RSII boards. Any idea how those conversions were done to make the chuff work?
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Sadly, the original RS2 board does not read the chuff from the serial data stream, so I can't use it. I'm digging through my stock of RS4 boards to see what I'll use for sounds.
It's not the board, it's the PIC chip.
If you have an RS25 S24 PIC, that one accepts the chuff on the serial line and is compatible with the C&O ROM. The steam sound ROMs were changed slightly when paired with RS27 PICs, so anything newer than the RS25 S24 with an older ROM can occasionally produce some odd behavior.
And for the record, that's a RS2.5 board in the Yellowbelly. RS2 is a totally different animal.
TRW
@PaperTRW posted:If you have an RS25 S24 PIC, that one accepts the chuff on the serial line and is compatible with the C&O ROM. The steam sound ROMs were changed slightly when paired with RS27 PICs, so anything newer than the RS25 S24 with an older ROM can occasionally produce some odd behavior.
I didn't realize I could swap out the PIC chip and keep the sounds, I'll give that a try and see if it solves that issue.
THANKS! 
Well... that was a bust. Apparently, I don't have a single RS25 PIC chip, but I have a zillion of the RS27 chips. As stated, the RS27 chips do odd things. Close, but no cigar.
So does the CV Rs2.5 board have the correct PIC chip for this to work? When I upgrade my yellow belly, I’d like to change the sound board to the CV board since I like the NYC whistle much better than the whistle used on the C&O board
Don't know about that particular board. What's the CV?
@PaperTRW posted:If you have an RS25 S24 PIC, that one accepts the chuff on the serial line and is compatible with the C&O ROM. The steam sound ROMs were changed slightly when paired with RS27 PICs, so anything newer than the RS25 S24 with an older ROM can occasionally produce some odd behavior.
Do you have the RS24S24 PIC? I'd like to find one and see if this works out.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Don't know about that particular board. What's the CV?
The Commodore Vanderbilt. There’s been a few overhauls of this engine lately so obviously there’s a way to use the RS2.5 with the ERR board
@Ryan Selvius posted:The Commodore Vanderbilt. There’s been a few overhauls of this engine lately so obviously there’s a way to use the RS2.5 with the ERR board
You can, feed the RS2.5 power, ground, serial & chuff , and she’ll come right to life, only caveat, chuff in is on separate line…….you don’t feed chuff in to the radio board, ( the radio board on the ERR Cruise Commander) go straight from whatever your chuff switch source is, to the light blue chuff in wire on the RS2.5 that’s used in the CV …..all we’ve been doing is using better, modern speakers, and the old RS2.5 cleans up incredibly …..Legacy, Shmegacy, …..
Pat
@harmonyards posted:You can, feed the RS2.5 power, ground, serial & chuff , and she’ll come right to life, only caveat, chuff in is on separate line…….you don’t feed chuff in to the radio board, ( the radio board on the ERR Cruise Commander) go straight from whatever your chuff switch source is, to the light blue chuff in wire on the RS2.5 that’s used in the CV …..all we’ve been doing is using better, modern speakers, and the old RS2.5 cleans up incredibly …..Legacy, Shmegacy, …..
Pat
Pat, did you miss the part where I'm using a wireless IR drawbar link? 
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Pat, did you miss the part where I'm using a wireless IR drawbar link?
Nope, but I should’ve mentioned, you ain’t doing that with IR, …….the ones I’ve done are all physical tether……
Pat
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Do you have the RS24S24 PIC? I'd like to find one and see if this works out.
I can provide an RS25 S24 PIC. Have a spare PIC in the RS27 S23 family to trade?
@Ryan Selvius posted:So does the CV Rs2.5 board have the correct PIC chip for this to work? When I upgrade my yellow belly, I’d like to change the sound board to the CV board since I like the NYC whistle much better than the whistle used on the C&O board
No, the CV RS2.5 board has the same issue with an RS25 S12 PIC. It will recognize a direct chuff trigger just fine -- microswitch, reed switch, hall effect sensor, etc. -- but doesn't see the chuff along the serial line as these locomotives were produced before the first wireless tethers. The RS25 S24 PIC was created for the first wireless tether locomotives in 1997, and therefore recognizes a chuff in the serial data.
The PIC substitute will work for your CV as well.
TRW
Great information. The Railsounds 2.5 is still one of the best sound systems out there and the whistle recordings are the best Lionel ever used.
I’ll be screen shotting this for later. Thank you!
@PaperTRW posted:I can provide an RS25 S24 PIC. Have a spare PIC in the RS27 S23 family to trade?
I have an RS27S23 on hand, I'd be glad to swap and get the original sounds going.
I'll drop you an email for an address.
Baby steps, got everything mounted in the tender, just need to put the IR receiver on the drawbar and connect some wires and I'll be ready to test. Still have to stick the baffle on the speaker down as well.
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Enough of the growing pains buddy!….we wanna see the baby!!……🤣🤣🤣
just kidding ya John!!….do your thing!!…
Pat
There's been a lot of stuff on my plate so I don't get a lot of time to tinker with this one. However, it's getting close, so I have high hopes. 
Here's a couple of initial videos, still working on a better sound board, but the rest is wrapped up.
The drive-by with some C&O passenger cars.
Here's a fly-by to see all the lighting features.
Smoking like a champ there John. All those diesels lined up because they are jealous and have to pull together to have the same pulling power as that Hudson?
Terrific thread John, I love the engine and your's and Pat's work is impeccable, I really love what you've done and how you did it. As for value, it's given me all kinds of ideas for some of my engines, now all it takes is the $$ to get them done. Beautiful engine, I love it.
Sorry to hear about your back, that can be extremely painful, I hope you get to feeling much better soon.
Very nice JOHN, ENJOY!!!!! Love that cadence but it’s tough to dance too.😆😄😉
Thanks guys, I'm happy to have this one in the bag.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Smoking like a champ there John. All those diesels lined up because they are jealous and have to pull together to have the same pulling power as that Hudson?
The diesels are lined up because they're recent arrivals and don't have a spot on the shelves yet.
John, great work!….looks like she’s up to modern standards now!!…..let’s do another!!….😉
Pat
Not trying to nit pick, and I know you said you were still working on the sound, but I rewatched the video and seems like the drivers are moving faster than the chuff and that the stack puffs aren’t in sync either. I might just be a youtube playback oddity too.
@rplst8 posted:Not trying to nit pick, and I know you said you were still working on the sound, but I rewatched the video and seems like the drivers are moving faster than the chuff and that the stack puffs aren’t in sync either. I might just be a youtube playback oddity too.
I can assure you that the chuffing is in time with the sounds in reality. It's hard to tell going by at speed, but it has 4-chuffs/rev as well. If the sounds and smoke aren't sync'ed, that would mean the 1,000+ Super-Chuffer/Chuff-Generator combos that have shipped would have the same problem, surely I'd have heard about that!
The only "work" on the sound coming is replacing the sound board that's in it with the original Yellowbelly RS chip as it has a really nice whistle. I'm just waiting on a compatible PIC chip for the RS set.
@rplst8 posted:Not trying to nit pick, and I know you said you were still working on the sound, but I rewatched the video and seems like the drivers are moving faster than the chuff and that the stack puffs aren’t in sync either. I might just be a youtube playback oddity too.
The chuff sound, and the puff out the exhaust all come from the same signal Ryan, …it’d be a real challenge to get them out of sync,…..it’s all fed off one line …
Pat
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I can assure you that the chuffing is in time with the sounds in reality. It's hard to tell going by at speed, but it has 4-chuffs/rev as well. If the sounds and smoke aren't sync'ed, that would mean the 1,000+ Super-Chuffer/Chuff-Generator combos that have shipped would have the same problem, surely I'd have heard about that!
The only "work" on the sound coming is replacing the sound board that's in it with the original Yellowbelly RS chip as it has a really nice whistle. I'm just waiting on a compatible PIC chip for the RS set.
@harmonyards posted:The chuff sound, and the puff out the exhaust all come from the same signal Ryan, …it’d be a real challenge to get them out of sync,…..it’s all fed off one line …
Yeah I think the speed it was moving at and the video lag was just throwing me off.
P.S. @gunrunnerjohn I might have one of those later RS25 chips if you still need one. I saw someone else replied, but if it falls through let me know and I'll check.
Very nice! The back head and upgrade of the wireless draw bar look fantastic!
@Hump Yard Mike posted:Very nice! The back head and upgrade of the wireless draw bar look fantastic!
Thanks Mike, I was determined not to have the cab open, and Pat grafted that VL Hudson interior in there perfectly! It did take more work to do the wireless drawbar, but that's another feature that I do like, so I bit the bullet and did it.
Incredible work on both ends. Looks, runs, and sounds great!
"John, great work!….looks like she’s up to modern standards now!!…..let’s do another!!….😉
Pat". Please do, I love seeing what you guys can do.
@coach joe posted:Pat". Please do, I love seeing what you guys can do.
Pat's working on a new project: PRR fellas!…let’s build an S2!! Tales From Harmon Shops
@coach joe posted:Incredible work on both ends. Looks, runs, and sounds great!
"John, great work!….looks like she’s up to modern standards now!!…..let’s do another!!….😉
Pat". Please do, I love seeing what you guys can do.
Coach, if you haven't started following Pat, it may be a good idea. Pat is getting close to retirement, which means that there will be a whole host of "Tales from the Harmon Shops" coming for sure. As John pointed out, he's working on doing the PRR's S2 Turbine which should be pretty interesting.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:Coach, if you haven't started following Pat, it may be a good idea. Pat is getting close to retirement, which means that there will be a whole host of "Tales from the Harmon Shops" coming for sure. As John pointed out, he's working on doing the PRR's S2 Turbine which should be pretty interesting.
287 days to be exact, …..usually I don’t wish time away, but I’ll make an exception this time, …..it can’t come quick enough…..
Pat
@harmonyards posted:287 days to be exact, …..usually I don’t wish time away, but I’ll make an exception this time, …..it can’t come quick enough…..
Pat
Sounds like April for me. Of course that is not retiring, just getting some extra money. 😊
