Lighting Board Distribution Panel

Maybe describe what type of lighting upgrades you wish to have, your control method, etc..

Adriatic posted:

Maybe describe what type of lighting upgrades you wish to have, your control method, etc..

I'd be using 3 and 5mm LEDs. I've already installed them but I want to mount the lighting board up in the shell and have a plug connecting them to the ERR cruise board. The engine (lionel 6-28706) had tmcc but I gutted it thinking I wanted PS3 but now I want to put TMCC back in it. Theres nothing in the engine but the motor and the lights I added. The tender is still intact. 

You'll likely need more than one connection.  Since the ERR connections will be different than PS/2, it's likely it'll be more work to use that board than to simply roll your own.  Here's an example of the wiring for one that I did.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

You'll likely need more than one connection.  Since the ERR connections will be different than PS/2, it's likely it'll be more work to use that board than to simply roll your own.  Here's an example of the wiring for one that I did.

Cool. Thanks. Now in terms of the ERR set up, the engine had TMCC and I removed it (thinking of PS3 but changed my mind) how do I interface the wireless tether with it or can I not do that? 

If you still have the tender stock, you can wire up the locomotive to send the IR serial data.  OTOH, if you're trying to use all ERR components, there is no documented way to use the wireless tether.  One issue is the rear coupler and backup light, no place to connect them.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

If you still have the tender stock, you can wire up the locomotive to send the IR serial data.  OTOH, if you're trying to use all ERR components, there is no documented way to use the wireless tether.  One issue is the rear coupler and backup light, no place to connect them.

The tender is still stock, I haven't touched it. 

The locomotive IR sender is driven by the serial data.  Do you have a 2-wire or 3-wire locomotive IR sender?

gunrunnerjohn posted:

The locomotive IR sender is driven by the serial data.  Do you have a 2-wire or 3-wire locomotive IR sender?

Yes. 

What is it, the 2-wire or 3-wire?  I know you have one.

My bad lol. It's a 3 wire connection. 

Never sure what that 3rd wire was for, I think it's 5V from the R2LC.  The only ones I've retrofit are the 2-pin ones, they're simple, serial data and ground.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Never sure what that 3rd wire was for, I think it's 5V from the R2LC.  The only ones I've retrofit are the 2-pin ones, they're simple, serial data and ground.

How would I go about connecting those wires to the ERR board, a JST plug? 

I don't have the exact connections for the 3-wire IR transmitter, I've always wanted to take one apart and see why they needed a 3rd wire.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I don't have the exact connections for the 3-wire IR transmitter, I've always wanted to take one apart and see why they needed a 3rd wire.

Ah gotya. 

This is why I need some kind of wire management system for the lights. Still have to add class lights, firebox light and pilot lights. 

I tend to wire all the lights that are in the shell for either steam or diesel and bring them to one connector that goes to the frame, makes it easier to manage the wiring.  OTOH, you don't have that many wires yet.

Here's a typical diesel install, this is the WBB Trainmaster.  The shell and the frame, and then the wiring diagram.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I tend to wire all the lights that are in the shell for either steam or diesel and bring them to one connector that goes to the frame, makes it easier to manage the wiring.  OTOH, you don't have that many wires yet.

Here's a typical diesel install, this is the WBB Trainmaster.  The shell and the frame, and then the wiring diagram.

Awesome. Btw, I see the ERR boards are in. The cruise commander would be the board to use with this engine right? 

Yep, the Cruise Commander and the Electric RailSounds Commander is what's in this one.  I tend to go "fancy" on the lighting, simply because I think it's cool.  Most visitors love to see stuff like the directional markers and the like, even though they're not really prototypical.  The operating MARS light is another hit in whatever I've put it in.

Wire management is key when you're doing these projects, it'll make or break them.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Yep, the Cruise Commander and the Electric RailSounds Commander is what's in this one.  I tend to go "fancy" on the lighting, simply because I think it's cool.  Most visitors love to see stuff like the directional markers and the like, even though they're not really prototypical.  The operating MARS light is another hit in whatever I've put it in.

Wire management is key when you're doing these projects, it'll make or break them.

Sweet! For my (6-28706) engine would the cruise board would be right for me? 

We're switching gears, you're indicating the TMCC Atlantic with Odyssey cruise.  Are you intending to replace the Odyssey with the ERR Cruise?  If so, the correct board is the ERR Cruise Commander M, it replaces the Odyssey DCDS.  There's a bit of wiring involved, but fairly minimal.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

We're switching gears, you're indicating the TMCC Atlantic with Odyssey cruise.  Are you intending to replace the Odyssey with the ERR Cruise?  If so, the correct board is the ERR Cruise Commander M, it replaces the Odyssey DCDS.  There's a bit of wiring involved, but fairly minimal.

I pulled the odyssey cruise thinking I wanted PS3 but changed my mind and want to put ERR in it. The engine is empty minus motor and lights. The tender wasnt touched and still has all electronics in it. 

That's different, in that case it's the Cruise Commander and the RailSounds Commander.

Truthfully, I'd put the TMCC back in and use the Cruise Commander M, that way you can still use the wireless tether and all the tender electronics.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

That's different, in that case it's the Cruise Commander and the RailSounds Commander.

Truthfully, I'd put the TMCC back in and use the Cruise Commander M, that way you can still use the wireless tether and all the tender electronics.

How much work would it be to put the TMCC electronics back in in terms of wiring? I don't mind running a tether from the engine and tender. 

I guess that depends on how carefully you removed all the wiring.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I guess that depends on how carefully you removed all the wiring.

I think I tossed all the original wiring and kept the boards. Stupid move I know.  I can remake the plugs or run a tether to allow the engine and tender electronics to communicate. 

Well, it's like a new installation in that case.  You can use the tender electronics, you'll just have to figure out the wiring for a wired tether.  Fitting the Cruise Commander into the locomotive may be a challenge, it's a different form factor than the old boards.  I suspect fitting it into the tender may not be possible without first doing something about the old configuration.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Well, it's like a new installation in that case.  You can use the tender electronics, you'll just have to figure out the wiring for a wired tether.  Fitting the Cruise Commander into the locomotive may be a challenge, it's a different form factor than the old boards.  I suspect fitting it into the tender may not be possible without first doing something about the old configuration.

Ah alright. Well at least I know what to order. I'll buy the cruise board and go from there. Can I ask you for help if need be? 

Well, you can ask...

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Well, you can ask...

 

Well I got the Motherboard put back in. @gunrunnerjohn do you have the pinouts for this? 

Nope, only in my head.  I do have a handful of motherboard pinouts in paper, but that's not one of them.  Your ohmmeter is your friend, you'll have to do it the hard way.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

Nope, only in my head.  I do have a handful of motherboard pinouts in paper, but that's not one of them.  Your ohmmeter is your friend, you'll have to do it the hard way.

Ah alright. 

Was working on the pinouts for this board today, I got most of them. Can post them if needed. But among others I found the connections for the IR tether, can I use them with the ERR cruise M and not need to run a separate tether? 

You can try it.  The CC-M shouldn't have a problem with the IR sensor load on the serial data if you ordered the Steam board.  I've had to add a little buffer to some installations to help the serial data.

gunrunnerjohn posted:

You can try it.  The CC-M shouldn't have a problem with the IR sensor load on the serial data if you ordered the Steam board.  I've had to add a little buffer to some installations to help the serial data.

Alright, I'll give it a shot. 

Can't say its completely correct but heres the pinouts for this board. Any comments and/or help is appreciated. 

I guess you'll find out when you wire it up!

gunrunnerjohn posted:

I guess you'll find out when you wire it up!

Yes. Hope I don't get the magic smoke These are the connectors correct?  

The EH connector line is correct for the 2.5mm connectors.  Most of the TMCC MB connectors are that style, though I've seen the 2mm used on occasion on some.