when exactly will lionel's 2017 catalog be released
what are the chances of a tier 4 locomotive being in there
i heard ogr is being sold does this mean the end of the forum
any leaks for 2017 yet
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Lionlman posted:Rich said at the OGR Forum meeting yesterday afternoon that they are looking to sell the company sometime in 2017. No details on what would happen to the forum or the magazine.
Neal Jeter
What does this have to do with the original poster questions about the 2017 Lionel catalog????
paigetrain posted:when exactly will lionel's 2017 catalog be released
best to call lionel.......
paigetrain posted:i heard ogr is being sold does this mean the end of the forum
maybe, maybe not.
Lionel catalogs usually coincide with the York train shows give or take a week or two.
The 2016 volume 2 was released a few weeks ago. The fall York trains show is coming to a close this weekend.
The 2017 volume 1 catalog will most likely be offered in the spring, just before the spring York train show.
Now, will all the stuff in the 2017-1 cat come out in 2017?
Dominic Mazoch posted:Now, will all the stuff in the 2017-1 cat come out in 2017?
I'm sure that's always a great goal, but reality tends to rear its ugly head. Look at the number of items in the 2016 Signature catalog slipping into 2017.
David
paigetrain posted:when exactly will lionel's 2017 catalog be released
what are the chances of a tier 4 locomotive being in there
i heard ogr is being sold does this mean the end of the forum
any leaks for 2017 yet
The Lionel 2017 Signature Catalog should be out the last week of January.
The MTH catalogs are out at the TCA shows in April.
Lionel catalogs come out before the February Toy Fair in New York.
The last full week in January end on Friday the 27th.
Andrew
It's probably going to be either the 25th of January or the 1st of February.
Should be the 27th
Hmmmm. No leaks or hints. I'm guessing nothing new then?
WITZ 41 posted:Hmmmm. No leaks or hints. I'm guessing nothing new then?
In recent years Lionel has been very tight lipped. Even as far as strongly suggesting to it's dealers not to leak information.
Hasn't been done in this number class with the rooftop goodies. Lionel has the A/C and other rooftop accessories - they used them on their SD40T-2
Just saw Lionel has posted four teaser pictures of the new catalog covers on their Facebook page. It appears to be the Signature, RTR, Christmas, and American Flyer. I wonder if anyone can identify the engine on the Signature cover? LOL
DM&E_Bobby posted:I wonder if anyone can identify the engine on the Signature cover? LOL
LOL indeed. Did any steam locomotives besides turbines have radiators?
What, me worry?
DM&E_Bobby posted:Just saw Lionel has posted four teaser pictures of the new catalog covers on their Facebook page. It appears to be the Signature, RTR, Christmas, and American Flyer. I wonder if anyone can identify the engine on the Signature cover? LOL
SP 2-8-8-4
Rusty
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Alfred E Neuman posted:DM&E_Bobby posted:I wonder if anyone can identify the engine on the Signature cover? LOL
LOL indeed. Did any steam locomotives besides turbines have radiators?
What, me worry?
looks to be a collage of locomotives... name an engine that had compound air pumps on the front of the locomotive?
the T1 had a radiator grille on the front of it?
J Daddy posted:Alfred E Neuman posted:DM&E_Bobby posted:I wonder if anyone can identify the engine on the Signature cover? LOL
LOL indeed. Did any steam locomotives besides turbines have radiators?
What, me worry?
looks to be a collage of locomotives... name an engine that had compound air pumps on the front of the locomotive?
the T1 had a radiator grille on the front of it?
Great Northern "flying pumps" on their 4-8-4's and heavy 2-8-2's. Chesapeake and Ohio had them on 4-8-2's and 4-6-2's. Seaboard had them on 2-8-2's. Northern Pacific on their 4-6-6-4's. UP on the 4-12-2's.
There's probably more, but that's off the top of my head.
Rusty
Indeed, but of no interest to me. Well that didn't take too long... Less than an hour after Lionel posted the teaser. Wonder if it's the VisionLine offering? And if so, which VL features beyond basic Legacy steamers?
David
I'm In for an AC9... I would freak out if its the GN 4-8-4...
Can someone post the pic of teaser for us non-facebookers?
The facebook picture leak looks identical to the Lionel SP AC9 pic I just googled. You would think they want to keep us in suspence, they should have showed a pic of the standard lionel engineer figure thru the window to make it harder on us.
JDaddy-
I will take an AC9... I have been waiting for a Legacy one... been a long Wait.
I'm sure there will be alot more in the catalog...
I will also be in for an AC9... I have put of buying the old one for a while because I figured it was destined for a legacy run. Maybe well see another run with new #'s for the PFE vision line reefers to go with the AC9.
I'm almost insulted! that someone posted that picture as a sneak peak (as if we couldn't tell). They could have just made an announcement that AC9 is in the new catalog.
Now, will they do a DAYLIGHT scheme like they did with the cab forward (that i thought was stupid at the time, and now I think its the coolest thing ever and want one!).
It sure looks like the AC9 that my team brought to market in 2003.
TRW
Super O Bob posted:I'm almost insulted! that someone posted that picture as a sneak peak (as if we couldn't tell). They could have just made an announcement that AC9 is in the new catalog.
Now, will they do a DAYLIGHT scheme like they did with the cab forward (that i thought was stupid at the time, and now I think its the coolest thing ever and want one!).
Maybe that's not the big surprise so they just showed it. Maybe I'm too optimistic
BigRail
I think you are right Big Rail... Its a trickle, not the shocker of the catalog...
Super O Bob posted:I think you are right Big Rail... Its a trickle, not the shocker of the catalog...
The shocker would be the prices...
Rusty
Lol! Rusty
It could just be the previous year Allegheny in a Harry Heike weathered variation, but we'll wait and see.
I am tired of the re-issues!
Here's my challenge, and I'm serious about this. If everyone is tired of reissues, come up with a steam locomotive that has not been tooled up by either manufacture that can justify a $150,000 to $250,000 tooling investment in one or two runs.
In my opinion the days of steam locomotives that were real world low number builds or that only served a few roads are over for Lionel and MTH. 3rd Rail can and will continue to pull those off, but the market is shrinking and odd ball locomotives just are not going to cut it any more. The risk vs reward just is not there. A hot seller like the SD60E is a no brainier for new tooling, but again, find me a steam locomotive that can justify a significant tooling investment that can be recovered in one or two runs.
The gauntlet has been thrown, now let's hear some suggestions.
The O Scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar needs to be made again as a 3-rail/2-rail car with roller bearing trucks and wire grab irons.
They still have not done the authentic markings for real railroads such as Western Pacific early 1970's, Western Pacific 1979, Southern Pacific HYDRA-CUSHION, McCloud River Railroad, and others.
Andrew
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Notch 6 posted:I am tired of the re-issues!
Here's my challenge, and I'm serious about this. If everyone is tired of reissues, come up with a steam locomotive that has not been tooled up by either manufacture that can justify a $150,000 to $250,000 tooling investment in one or two runs.
In my opinion the days of steam locomotives that were real world low number builds or that only served a few roads are over for Lionel and MTH. 3rd Rail can and will continue to pull those off, but the market is shrinking and odd ball locomotives just are not going to cut it any more. The risk vs reward just is not there. A hot seller like the SD60E is a no brainier for new tooling, but again, find me a steam locomotive that can justify a significant tooling investment that can be recovered in one or two runs.
The gauntlet has been thrown, now let's hear some suggestions.
Then how bout making them a little better . Like the s3 or t1 recently. So I guess I will never see a legacy Mohawk l4? I guess will I buy a mth one then ..
ed h posted:Hopefully we will see this set we were promised back in the 2016 Signature catalog.
Oh man. Only if!!
Fingers crossed.
Then how bout making them a little better . Like the s3 or t1 recently. So I guess I will never see a legacy Mohawk l4? I guess will I buy a mth one then ..
I think both camps do try to make them better with each reissue, and yet that's still not enough for some folks.
The base tooling exists for a Lionel Mohawk, so not out of the realm of possibility.
My question is find something that is completely new tooling from the frame up that fits that criteria that I mentioned above. My guess is that there are going to be very few responses.
Disclaimer: I am not aware of all the steam locomotives that Lionel have produced in scale.
Doing a little web searching, I found a multitude of railroads owned 2-10-0 Decapods and several are still on display. That tooling could be used for a few runs to cover all roads.
I would think that it might require wide radius curves, which could narrow market share.
Notch 6 posted:I am tired of the re-issues!
Here's my challenge, and I'm serious about this. If everyone is tired of reissues, come up with a steam locomotive that has not been tooled up by either manufacture that can justify a $150,000 to $250,000 tooling investment in one or two runs.
In my opinion the days of steam locomotives that were real world low number builds or that only served a few roads are over for Lionel and MTH. 3rd Rail can and will continue to pull those off, but the market is shrinking and odd ball locomotives just are not going to cut it any more. The risk vs reward just is not there. A hot seller like the SD60E is a no brainier for new tooling, but again, find me a steam locomotive that can justify a significant tooling investment that can be recovered in one or two runs.
The gauntlet has been thrown, now let's hear some suggestions.
LS&I 2-8-0. Could be offered in Grand Canyon, LS&I, San Luis and Rio Grande, Western Maryland (734), and Ohio Central.
Notch 6 posted:... In my opinion the days of steam locomotives that were real world low number builds or that only served a few roads are over for Lionel and MTH. 3rd Rail can and will continue to pull those off, but the market is shrinking and odd ball locomotives just are not going to cut it any more. The risk vs reward just is not there. ...
Lionel was never in the business of producing low-number production runs. Of course, we can argue what constitutes a "low number". At the end of the day though, Lionel loved giving the IMPRESSION that some locomotives were built in low numbers. But I'm not convinced Lionel EVER produced low quantities of anything -- at least not in the way 3rd Rail does. Scott Mann is the only producer of O-Gauge product that truly builds to CONSUMER reservations today. And when reservation numbers don't meet required minimums, the project is either cancelled or delayed until more reservations are obtained. We've occasionally heard where one or two "consumers" have reportedly ordered multiple 3rd Rail units "in quantity" (i.e., 10 or more) in order to push a given project's reservation number(s) over the top. So those consumers essentially acted as a pseudo-dealer to make the project happen.
After several cycles of BTO products, Lionel still has a dealer community that sustains the company's BTO program by ordering "extra's" (beyond actual consumer pre-orders). If Lionel relied solely on consumer orders, I suspect some of the the company's product wouldn't get made either.
David
