@RickO posted:On a side note. As far as that $2600 Legacy sytem.
The seller put it back up a few days ago. Its currently at $875
Yes, it's the same seller--but it's a different unit. He has more than one.
I wanted to buy one for a spare but at these prices forget it.
I don't wanna run trains with a phone or a smart device. The Base3 supposedly won't work with DCS either.
I wonder why Lionel didn't put a antenna on the new base 3 ?
It'll be interesting to how this plays out.
@Fredstrains posted:Did you try "HOBBY HAVEN" in Des Moines , Iowa? They had one (990) sitting on the shelf the last time I was in there!!!
Has anyone tried this SOURCE???
FREDSTRAINS
@feet posted:The Base3 supposedly won't work with DCS either.
Where was this stated?
Unless I missed something recently it "works with DCS" just as any Base would, and has in the past:
1.) DCS Remote controls TMCC/Legacy -- Connect the BASE-3 to your TIU, via a serial cable, and the DCS remote will operate your TMCC/Legacy locomotives through it.
and
2.) CAB-x App does not control PS2 or 3 -- The CAB-3 (App) and BASE-3 will not operate PS2 or 3 locomotives via DCS command, only conventionally using a PowerMaster, same as CAB-1/BASE-1, CAB-2/BASE-2, and CAB-1L/BASE-1L.
Mike
@Fredstrains posted:Has anyone tried this SOURCE???
FREDSTRAINS
Some time ago. It was long gone!
@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:Where was this stated?
Unless I missed something recently it "works with DCS" just as any Base would, and has in the past:
1.) DCS Remote controls TMCC/Legacy -- Connect the BASE-3 to your TIU, via a serial cable, and the DCS remote will operate your TMCC/Legacy locomotives through it.
and
2.) CAB-x App does not control PS2 or 3 -- The CAB-3 (App) and BASE-3 will not operate PS2 or 3 locomotives via DCS command, only conventionally using a PowerMaster, same as CAB-1/BASE-1, CAB-2/BASE-2, and CAB-1L/BASE-1L.
Mike
As Mike pointed out, it works the same as it always did with Base2.
@MartyE posted:As Mike pointed out, it works the same as it always did with Base2.
Thanks for clearing this up. I thought i saw this on a Youtube review. Boy am I feeling stupid today.
@RickO posted:I'm just so glad I grabbed a 993 off of Amazon $282 the week before the catalog announcement.
Theres one for over $500 with 6 days to go. I guess this is a good indication of how folks feel about the Legacy handheld.
If you think about it. If someone buys a $2400 VL locomotive, and wants a handheld that accesses ALL of the legacy features, what choice do they have?
Ironically, theres a DCS system currently at $202 with only two days left. T
Did the same thing. Can’t find them now. EvilBay prices are ridiculous, if they are even real. It was worth $300 to me to get an extra 993 remote to work with the Cab3 if my original Cab-2 remote base dies. Which I imagine wont be for a very long time. But 800+? No thanks. I’d use the app.
@rplst8 posted:Not entirely correct.
The Base3 will require a SER2 as it doesn’t have it’s own serial port.
OK technically correct if using just a HH and DCS. Good point.
For those running Legacy with the DCS and getting Legacy features it really is the same for those running DCS with the app. The LCS SER2 can be had for $40.
@rplst8 posted:Not entirely correct.
The Base3 will require a SER2 as it doesn’t have it’s own serial port.
It has a USB port. A USB to serial adapter will work according to Dave O.
Might need a null modem. This how a Command Base would be connected to the Base3 if someone wanted to use a Cab1.
Pete
@rplst8 posted:Not entirely correct.
The Base3 will require a SER2 as it doesn’t have it’s own serial port.
Not very wrong either -- the post was implying that DCS won't work with Base3 at all.
Mike
@Norton posted:It has a USB port. A USB to serial adapter will work according to Dave O.
Have you seen the USB port in the publications? it's Micro-B. While I'm sure one can exist, a Micro-B to Serial adapter is not common.
@H1000 posted:Have you seen the USB port in the publications? it's Micro-B. While I'm sure one can exist, a Micro-B to Serial adapter is not common.
Dave has said he has done it. ‘nough said. I see a lot of glass half full guys here. It can’t do this, it can’t do that. Why not just wait until its released?
Pete
@H1000 posted:Have you seen the USB port in the publications? it's Micro-B. While I'm sure one can exist, a Micro-B to Serial adapter is not common.
I believe the intent is that you would use the SER2 plugged into one of the three LCS ports on the BASE3. IMO, this is a non-issue.
@Norton posted:Dave has said he has done it. ‘nough said. I see a lot of glass half full guys here. It can’t do this, it can’t do that. Why not just wait until its released?
Pete
I didn't say it wasn't possible but go find the needed adaptor for the same price as a usb-a version... I have a dozen or so of those just laying around.
Plus, who is still using micro-b? It's a dying connector. A usb-c connection would have made much more sense.
I never doubted the ser2 being able to acomplish this and by the time you even find the correct micro-b to serial cable, the ser2 is probably the cheaper route.
This whole conversation hurts my head, and makes me glad I run conventional!😜
@3rail posted:I got (2) brand new ones in the box I am going to sell to supplement my retirement in a few months!
Donald
Don,
I guessing you are referring to Lionel 990 set? If so I would be happy to fuel your retirement. Please let me know when you are ready!
Actually brand new in the box can also mean that it's never been back to Lionel to have a modification made to the Cab2 and never had a charging mod made to the base.
@cjack posted:Actually brand new in the box can also mean that it's never been back to Lionel to have a modification made to the Cab2 and never had a charging mod made to the base.
I recently picked up a v1.0 #990 Legacy command set. Lionel gave me an RMA to upgrade it no questions asked.
What exactly is the charging mod?
I notice on Charles Ro website this pm they are accepting backorders for the cab2 remote and charge base package. I thought the handheld was dead.
I don’t know what the charging mod involved but they listed it on the invoice. I always used the 993 to charge so I don’t know what the problem was or would have been.
@EJN posted:I notice on Charles Ro website this pm they are accepting backorders for the cab2 remote and charge base package. I thought the handheld was dead.
Good catch! These were completely removed from the website a few weeks ago.
I'm not sure what changed, but at least the $449 is more reasonable than the $650+ that 993s are going for on ebay.
Rick,
I wonder if that's the final order coming from overseas, found US based stock or new production order based on higher msrp.
Being they are a major dealer maybe its a market test to see how much back order interest there is. I would expect other L dealers to start listing for sale if this is new price level Lionel supply chain can work with.
@rplst8 posted:What exactly is the charging mod?
The charging board in the early Legacy sets had problems, they were updated when they came in for repair. I sent a couple in specifically for the charging circuit update.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:The charging board in the early Legacy sets had problems, they were updated when they came in for repair. I sent a couple in specifically for the charging circuit update.
So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done. Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?
@RickO posted:Good catch! These were completely removed from the website a few weeks ago.
I'm not sure what changed, but at least the $449 is more reasonable than the $650+ that 993s are going for on ebay.
Appears to be gone from Charles Ro now. But thanks EJN for the alert - I think I managed to get one before they disappeared.
@rplst8 posted:So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done. Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?
Try charging a CAB2?
@rplst8 posted:So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done. Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?
Unless your **** bent on having the charging feature. It's just as easy to turn off the base charger and grab yourself an external charger with extra batteries on Amazon.
I never bothered to see if my base charger even works. I don't like the idea of leaving it on all the time. My base is unplugged when not running trains.
This seems like cheap insurance from damage caused by a power surge or possible component failure from simply being on 24/7. Especially now more than ever. Since these bases are discontinued.
@rplst8 posted:So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done. Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?
Did it come back with an invoice? However They have been doing the charging update since about version 1.5 or less.
@RickO posted:Unless your **** bent on having the charging feature. It's just as easy to turn off the base charger and grab yourself an external charger with extra batteries on Amazon.
I never bothered to see if my base charger even works. I don't like the idea of leaving it on all the time. My base is unplugged when not running trains.
This seems like cheap insurance from damage caused by a power surge or possible component failure from simply being on 24/7. Especially now more than ever. Since these bases are discontinued.
I just leave it on plugged into a timer set to one hour after using it.
I use the #993 charging base for mine, it doesn't have anything but the charging circuit in it, and it doesn't heat up the CAB2 like the command base charger does. I'm using the Tenergy low self-discharge NiMh batteries, they've worked fine for me.
