I have not.
I will if no one else has or wants to.
Best, Dave
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I have not.
I will if no one else has or wants to.
Best, Dave
Dennis sold to Bob Stevenson, and Bob was getting ready to do a test shot in brass. When Mr. Hemmings said "I got this" we stopped. This is not a good place for two different folks doing molds at the same time.
You can follow all that in the first couple pages of this thread.
We also proposed converting to Wolfer trucks, which are extremely accurate, but I wasn't willing to invest a grand in a crumbled Lionel model to see how to do it. I believe photos of the Wolfer truck are on page 1. Bob Stevenson has those molds ready to go.
I already have five bronze GG1s - I was going to help here because I like GG1s.
Sorry, I missed that point. I read the thread, but could not follow who is on first. My bad.
bob2, what would be involved in converting a Lionel JLC GG1 to Wolfer trucks?
Re-phrase after looking at page 1 of this thread, what would be involved in converting a Lionel JLC GG1 to Wolfer trucks but still keep it operational?
@bob2 posted:Dennis sold to Bob Stevenson, and Bob was getting ready to do a test shot in brass. When Mr. Hemmings said "I got this" we stopped. This is not a good place for two different folks doing molds at the same time.
You can follow all that in the first couple pages of this thread.
We also proposed converting to Wolfer trucks, which are extremely accurate, but I wasn't willing to invest a grand in a crumbled Lionel model to see how to do it. I believe photos of the Wolfer truck are on page 1. Bob Stevenson has those molds ready to go.
I already have five bronze GG1s - I was going to help here because I like GG1s.
If you really have to have them in metal castings, I don't see the problem with someone doing them. The metal casting was actually attempted, but the mold shrinkage was enough that the casting came out close to 1/4" too short. Needless to say, it didn't work, but it was very nice looking.
I just bolted one of the plastic sideframes to my GG1 as a test and moved the pilot over, it didn't have any problems running, and looked just like the original. It was also a good chance to look even closer at my sideframes to make sure they're still intact.
gunrunnerjohn, did the plastic sideframe look like it would be as durable as your Glock 17 frame? Asking for a friend :-)
Well... maybe not quite up to the Glock frame, but I don't see this having an issue unless you abuse it.
To answer a few questions:
The material used is a "ureathane plastic', It is a very tough material.
There is .01" shrinkage per inch of mold. (negligible).
The 6:32 screw holes will be 'tapped'.
You will re-use your original Lionel screws.
The castings are done in 'black' color.
We will be listing on our web site most likely by this weekend. Orders will be sold and shipped as received. I do not want to offend or cut short anybody on order placement, as I think this is the fairest way to accept orders. Harry
Thanks for the update, Harry!
l am looking forward to refreshing your website an insane amount of times this weekend! 😉
Yes, thanks Harry.
I'm glad that I refreshed your webpage tonight, Harry!
Order is in.
By the way, if anyone is interested, the parts are "urethane plastic (72 Shore D Hardness)". This is about the hardness of a Hard-Hat.
https://gallaghercorp.com/urethane-vs-plastic/
Best, Dave
The sideframes are pretty solid when you handle them. You can flex them some when they're off the power truck, but once they're bolted in place, they're very rigid. If my sideframes were turning to dust, I'd have been first in line to get a pair of these.
I can’t wait to get ahold of these. Will this be on the Henning store web site? I’ll be getting 2 at least maybe 4. Just waiting to know when and where to send the money! Y’all are awesome for everything you are doing in the hobby thank you.
One of my side frames on my silver GG1 is badly bowed, and some of the smaller details on it have crumbled off; both side frames are riddled with numerous cracks.
I will post some before and after pics, once my plastic replacements from Harry arrive.
@Bryan posted:I can’t wait to get ahold of these. Will this be on the Henning store web site? I’ll be getting 2 at least maybe 4. Just waiting to know when and where to send the money! Y’all are awesome for everything you are doing in the hobby thank you.
Looks like they already are on the site.
Henning's Trains - GG1055 Powered Truck Side Frame for Lionel GG1
John beat me to it by a minute. LOL!
Bryan,
Yes, there on the Henning website.
@bmoran4 posted:
@gunrunnerjohn posted:
@MartyE posted:Looks like they already are on the site.
Henning's Trains - GG1055 Powered Truck Side Frame for Lionel GG1
John beat me to it by a minute. LOL!
@DaveGG posted:Bryan,
Yes, there on the Henning website.
Not sure if @Bryan got the message or not
Thank you doing the purchase
Awesome got two pair so excited! The worlds greatest hobbyist come through for the greatest hobby again! BZ guys.
I am the guy who started this whole thread.
Thank you Hennings for doing this!!
Ordered, Thanks again for all the hard work.
How difficult are they to swap out?
Actually, very easy. The nice thing is, you don't have to take off the shell, you can do all the work from the underside. Some tinkering around to move the piping with the flexible section that connects the pilot to the sideframe, you need to use those stanchions to attach it to the new sideframes. Other than that, a few screws.
Yes. I am delighted that you got this fixed. Of course this means I won't be getting a JLC GG1 for cheap, but hey - I aLready have way too many GG1s.
Calls for a celebration! How about some "completed" photos?
NOTE: We are temporarily putting a hold on taking orders until we get caught up with the current orders. Check back soon for ordering. (should be within the next two weeks)
Production is slow on these, we make one at a time, but we will ship them in the order that we receive orders. Can be anywhere from a week to several weeks. We will start shipping the first couple orders Monday. We appreciate everyone's patience.
GG1055 Powered Truck Side Frame for Lionel GG1
A pair of reproduction powered truck side frames for the Lionel TMCC Scale GG1 to replace the original metal side frames that has unfortunately often come to zinc pest (deteriorated).
Urethane plastic (72 Shore D Hardness)
Made to fit Lionel:
I received an email today from Henning's Trains with tracking info for my set of replacement GG1 frames. They should be here in Ohio before the weekend. I will try to post some before and after pics of them on my silver JLC GG1.
My replacement pair of plastic frames have arrived today from Henning's Trains! My thanks to them for the fast filling and shipping of my order!
I am impressed with the detail that is molded into the frames. Overall, they are a little more pliable than I had expected.
I will dig out my silver JLC GG1 in a little bit, and upload a few pics of its current zinc rot frames.
Remember, the only significant load on these is right at the circled point, that's where the pilot truck attaches and of course, the coupler for the rest of the train is attached to the pilot truck. The sides that seem pliable are strictly cosmetic as were the originals. Although my GG1 didn't have any sideframe issues, I did take one of these and install it for a test. It dropped right in and functioned just like the original. The nice thing is, you don't have to even take the shell off, you can do this all from the outside.
Thanks for that info, John! More to follow, later today...
Here are pics of my scale GG1, ending with some pics showing the plastic frames for comparison.
One of the replacements does have some light speckling to its finish. I am debating on hitting the replacement pair with a light coat of flat black spray paint. I'm just not sure if the paint will have an adverse effect on the pliable plastic sides.
I would think that a light spray with flat black would not be a problem, as long as it is a light spray so it can flex. My pair is on the way. Tony, same engine I have, 4866.
Thanks, David!
It is sad that the original frames are disintegrating, but pretty great that Henning's has come up with a viable solution!
Thank you for all your in-put so far. We have shipped 13 sets as of today. My 'science worker' took all the mold making, production items home so he could continue casting during the week, while his wife was visiting her 'momma'. We will be accepting more orders most likely by next weekend. Bill has made up an additional flyer on converting our units. I will get him to add to our site for down loading. Thank you again, please be safe. Harry
As Harry (dad) said above thank you for your input and we should be able to take orders again next week.
The link for ordering is: GG1055 Powered Truck Side Frame for Lionel GG1, 2Pcs
Here is the instruction sheet he was referring to.
So, I hit both replacement frames with a light coat of flat black paint:
After 30 minutes of drying time in my wife's empty outdoor planter, they looked pretty good:
Here's the kitchen table work area:
I accidentally snapped the bend on both little brass stanchions to get the pipe off the original front frame, so I used super glue to hold them in place on the replacement:
I only replaced the front frame (left truck in the next 2 pics), as the back frame is still holding its overall shape fairly well (I greased all of the gears, too):
I think semi-gloss black might have been a better paint color choice instead of flat black, but from a few feet away it isn't very noticeable:
I will get some run time on my PRR 4866 tomorrow to see how it fares. Stay tuned.
Also, I can't thank Henning's Trains enough for tackling this project!
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