Lionel Legacy N&W Y6b ???

I think you have an excellent point, the overly "raspy" hooter offered in recent legacy mallets leaves more to be desired. Definitely not one of Lionels better efforts in the sound dept.

 

I would email your concerns directly to Lionel, they do read them. The whistle on the legacy blue comet was so horrible they offered to change the soundset under warranty.

 

Lionels "sound guy" has also chimed in here on the forum regarding the  recently delivered SP cab forward.

 

 Sound clips of the BTO engines is a fantastic idea!

 

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What happened to the awesome hooters that the N&W and Pennsy Y3s had in the first issue?

I too was more than a little disappointed in the whistle on the original Lionel N&W Y3, but, let me offer a little information. The freight whistle for N&W locos before about late 1941 was a higher pitched whistle (much like Lionel provided). The passenger whistle was at that time was what we now know as the famous "Hooter" whistle.

 

This all changed with the coming of the Class J and its "steamboat" whistle, which was applied to the passenger locos. At that time the freight locos acquired the "Hooter" whistle and the earlier freight (Y3) whistle was dropped.

 

I'm not making excuses for Lionel. I wish that I could get a RS5 "Hooter" for my Y3, but, knowing what I know, it makes it a bit easier to live with the Y3 whistle. But, I still don't like it.

 

It is too bad that Lionel has not offered a steam sound fix for the JLC Y6b and offered a proper "Hooter" chip for the RS5 Y3 loco.

I am wondering if they will fix the simple to compound sound change that they got backwards on the JLC version?

Hi Guys,

 

Lionel has got to get this right.  Both the Hooter whistle and the proper chuff sequence.

 

Hooter whistle:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...&feature=related

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...&feature=related

 

Steve

 

You have precisely pinpointed why I am very cautious about buying the new Legacy Lionel locomotive reissues.  The Lionel JLC TMCC/RS5 version of the C&O H7 2-8-8-2, for instance, had unique and wonderful hooter whistle and chuff sounds, but the new Legacy C&O H7, using the same great tooling, merely duplicates the whistle and chuff sounds found in other Legacy locomotives.  I intended to buy the Legacy version until I heard the sounds.

 

In sum Legacy is a superb system, the most realistic I can imagine, but without unique and varied whistle, bell, and chuff sounds tailored accurately for each locomotive released, I cannot justify buying more engines.

 

Thank you for this post.  Sometimes I have felt that I was alone in feeling this way, and thus I didn't post on the Forum about it because I thought most people didn't care about it like I do.

Will,

You are not alone!!!

 

While some people on this forum think that this "BTO" is a good thing, I'm not so sure.

I agree wholeheartedly.  Legacy engines are great and with the new chuff boards for the smoke, the sounds (chuff, whistle, steam) that each particular engine produces needs to replicate its original.  Now that's a win win for Lionel if and when they would do it.  Even if were just a download to the board on your particular engine.

Who is to say that a "BTO' number wasn't being done in some fashion already;-)
What is the minimum production number to turn a profit? Are "blow outs" figured in?

 

I made some inquiries, and I have it on good authority that the whistle sounds will be unique for the Y6b.  However, I don't think we will get a listen to the unique whistle until about the middle of 2015.

 

I do not know about the chuff rates, but assume it will be 2/4 selectable.  

 

I believe the Towercom and Crewtalk announcements will be generic.

 

Please don't hold me to this info as absolute, but I personally am counting on it, and I therefore plan to place an order for the locomotive.

 

My layout is always open to OGR Forum visitors.  Just please give me notice if you find yourself coming to Raleigh.

 

I'm sure. I'm sure that it's risky. Obviously there's some perceived economic necessity to this program, but I don't like the "buy before you fly"deal at all.

 

There are no train stores around here to see anything anymore, and I've had too many situations of ordering something, being disappointed, and selling it at a BIG loss. Can't afford it. It's the new reality, though, I suppose.

Its a tough pill to swallow. I have the old JLC version and its a keeper.

The good news is I can finally find parts on the missing cab glass that has been unavailable for years!

Allot of people are throwing the dice on the sounds. The steam affects will be better but who knows what the whistle will sound like.

 

The big risk is; if you sell the one you have and then place an order, is there a chance it may not be made?

The rotary tipple accessory is a good example of this.

 

I agree but am keeping the original JLC version at least until the new one arrives.


Will

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that the whistle sounds will be unique for the Y6b.

Will,

I wonder what they exactly mean by "unique"? 

 

David,

You are not alone either. The Emperor has no clothes on.

David I couldn't agree more, almost should only apply to hand grenades, horse shoes, and botchie ball(spelling).  Thanx Jim 

 

I was not aware that Lionel EVER had "selectable" chuff rate. You get what it comes with, correct or not, but they SHOULD make the effort to provide the CORRECT chuff rate for an N&W Y6b model, i.e. starts in simple and changes to compound.

Jim,

I wonder what it will sound like, too! It'll be hard to beat the JLC Y6b hooter.  That whistle is arguably the best one ever produced by any manufacturer.  


Will

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Hot Water, you are right and I'm wrong about the selectable chuff rate. I must have been hallucinating.

But the Legacy Y6b whistle will indeed be unique. Whether it's accurate or not, I cannot predict. I posted two videos of a real Y6b whistle on Vimeo some time back for reference:

https://vimeo.com/m/17774790

 https://vimeo.com/m/17774387

This whistle was on loan to the New Hope Valley RR.

I mentioned above that I think the whistle on the JLC version of the Y6b is the best Lionel has ever produced. However, I didn't say it was accurate; I just like the sound. I lowered my expectations for prototypical sounds more than a decade ago, though I wholeheartedly agree with you and others that Lionel should strive for that.

Ditto for simple and compound chuffing sounds.

Will

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I have always liked the look of these locos so this rendition is quite tempting. I am trying to figure out if it will work on my RR.

Does anyone know the measurement from the front of the first set of drivers to the rear of the second set of drivers on the older JLC version? Hopefully this will give me a close estimate of the new one. I have a reverse curve with a short distance between the reverse curves that limits most x-8-8-x locomotives. Thanks

Will,

Glad you and I think alike. Gotta love those N&W steamers that came from Illinois. Of all I've owned the Y6b is hands down the best.

Funny - I have a RS5 ex-N&W (re-lettered) tender that I run behind another loco,

and it has the hooter whistle - and I do not like N&W hooter whistles. I have tried to

get a RS5 chip for a large, non-hooter steamer to replace the N&W, but Lionel won't do

that on RS5, and a RS4 chip sounds fine, but the coil coupler no longer works and the

backup light stays on. So. The particular locomotive does not matter to me, as I

never use crew talk, etc.

 

I'm trying to rid myself of the hooter whistle, and some are desperately seeking it.

Stop the madness!

Really guys who gives a Hoot!

Hi guys,

 

Now that this model has been released are there any posted reviews of it?  Videos?

 

And what about the Hooter whistle?  Good or bad?

 

How many speakers does this model have?  I hoping that it has one speaker in the engine and one in the tender.

 

Steve

Seriously, though.  There are some videos in this thread that may be helpful:

 

https://ogrforum.com/t...58#42398301663596058

 

I've only gotten to run mine on about 5' of test track so far, but it sounds and looks great!

 

Thanks Fridge56Vet,

 

I missed seeing that that topic had 3 pages (I only read the first page).  Reading through all of them and watching the videos answers all of my questions.

 

From listening to the videos it appears that the speaker/s are ONLY in the tender.

 

Steve

Yes, my understanding is the the speaker is only in the tender.  I did not notice a speaker on the engine itself (though not 100% certain). 

Two "baby fatboy" speakers in the tender, a speaker in the loco is reserved for VL stuff.

 

Having said that, I doubt you'll be disappointed in the sound from the two fatboys. This has been pretty much standard issue on scale steamers for several years now, as long as the tender has enough room.