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Just received the set.  Both of the Legacy PA AA set engines are powered and both have bluetooth.

I set unique engine ID for front engine, ran over sensor track and updated engine info in CAB2 yesterday.  Then added trailing engine ID, etc to CAB2.  Then lashed the two locos together via CAB2 into a unique train ID.  Used the CAB2 settings to have the trailing engine running backwards in the lashup.  Then used CAB2 to operate the lashed up engines around my oval track layout.  All operated as expected.

Today I disconnected the Legacy command base from power, set my transformer to 18v track voltage, then turned on my universal remote, pressed one of the three engine selection buttons, and got the expected engine horn/blinking headlight on the leading engine.  However, when I advanced the universal remote throttle, the engines were motionless.  Then I noticed the trailing engine drive wheels turning with no engine movement.  I turned off the universal remote and track power.  The engines were driving against each other.

I then decoupled the forward engine and placed it on the same oval track several feet away still oriented relative to the trailing engine as if they were lashed up for dual engine operation back-to-back.  Then I powered up the track, turned on the universal remote, pressed one of the three engine selection buttons, and again got the expected engine horn/blinking headlight on the leading engine.  But this time, the forward engine did move forward ... and the trailing engine moved backward since they were not coupled to each other.  So, clearly, each engine is responding to bluetooth.  However, each engine travels forward when commanded via universal remote.  In Legacy control, CAB2 enabled me to reverse the orientation of the trailing engine for lash up operation so when I command forward engine travel, the leading engine does travel forward while the trailing engine travels in backward direction relative to its orientation.

So, I thought perhaps I could get 'em synched using the Bluetooth LionChief App on my smart device.  I fired up my smart device, turned on wifi, turned on bluetooth, then powered up the track to 18v, tapped the engine selection icon on my smart device LionChief App display, and the lead engine was acquired and its engine number board number was displayed on the app screen along with basic engine nomenclature.  The trailing engine number was not displayed nor was it acquired as a unique engine on the app display.  I checked horn/dialog/etc and all responded in the lead engine via the app.  I then advanced the app throttle lever and the lead engine moved forward and the trailing engine moved backward just like when I used the universal remote.

This is the first lashed-together set of engines I have tried to use bluetooth with so it's a new experience to me.  Again, works correctly in CAB2 legacy control.  But no joy in bluetooth control.

So, here are my questions:

a. How do I get the two engines to move together in lashup configuration in the same direction via universal remote?

b. How do I get the two engines to move together in lashup configuration in the same direction via LionChief app?

c. How do I get the trailing engine to display its engine number board number on the LionChief app?  Perhaps its a 'dumb' engine that does not display??

Tom

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Tom,

When you programmed the trailing engine into a train in the Cab2, it reversed the motor code. That setting stays in memory when you run the engine with a different controller, in your case the APP. You need to go back into the Cab2 train and clear that train (with the engines powered up and connected). This will clear the engine's memory and give proper operation in Bluetooth mode.

We designed new AA/B units to be programmed using the same TMCC ID. So if you programmed the lead engine as say TMCC ID #2, you'll want to assign the same number to the trailing unit. Then they will work in unison.

One more note on Bluetooth operation - The Universal Remote and the APP can only connect to a Bluetooth "Master", which is the lead A unit in the set. Without that Master, you will not be able to independently operate the trailing A unit or a corresponding B unit.

Thanks

Dave ... appreciate your feedback.  Just did what you advised and all works as you document.

1.  I cleared the train ID via CAB2 with both engines powered up and connected.

2. I reprogrammed the trailing engine to same ID as leading engine.

3.  In CAB2, they now operate in unison simply by starting up via the ENG control button and entering the single engine ID I am now using for both engines ... good.

4.  In bluetooth, both engines now operate in unison with the throttle ... good.

5.  Ref your note regarding the Universal remote and app only connecting to a bluetooth 'master' engine.  Understood.

Regards,

Tom

@Dave Olson posted:


We designed new AA/B units to be programmed using the same TMCC ID. So if you programmed the lead engine as say TMCC ID #2, you'll want to assign the same number to the trailing unit. Then they will work in unison.



I suspect this is in the manual, but does your statement above also in the last batch of E6 AA units? The ones with both units motorized, but only the lead unit having sound etc.?

Thanks Dave.

Charlie

@Charlie posted:

I suspect this is in the manual, but does your statement above also in the last batch of E6 AA units? The ones with both units motorized, but only the lead unit having sound etc.?

Thanks Dave.

Charlie

Charlie,

     I don’t want to answer for Dave but Lionel TMCC/Legacy AA sets all work using one engine number ID on both units. I have the Century Club TMCC PRR Sharks both units are powered and have sound and run great using one ID as the rear unit always starts in reverse so no need to set up as a train in command. Also have E8 PRR AA set with one powered and one non powered unit (does have smoke and Legacy control) which run with one ID for each unit. Give it a try.

JohnB

@JohnB posted:

Charlie,

     I don’t want to answer for Dave but Lionel TMCC/Legacy AA sets all work using one engine number ID on both units. I have the Century Club TMCC PRR Sharks both units are powered and have sound and run great using one ID as the rear unit always starts in reverse so no need to set up as a train in command. Also have E8 PRR AA set with one powered and one non powered unit (does have smoke and Legacy control) which run with one ID for each unit. Give it a try.

JohnB

I would NOT say all.  Yes recent Legacy and some TMCCs may operate this way but there are exceptions so best practice for earlier models is to try them uncoupled to confirm they they operate this way.

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