Lionel Pre war steam 700 E WX 464 Hdson?

C'mon Guys, You mean there's really nothing out there? Could you post a link if it's on EBay? Mike Maurice

You could try searching yourself, why does someone else have to do it for you?

Do a search on E-bay or Google it.

dear C. W. Burfle, Because you guys seem to be more expert at it, than I and I could tell him where I got it for him, and he could come here and be an active member of your Tinplate group! Trust me, I've been trying for years to get this guy to come join the forum! Mike Maurice

OK Mike,

 

You did not ask, but it's the "X" that is significant to me. According to Louis Hertz, the "X" means the engine was assembled with blind center drive wheels, and tinplate flanges to run on tubular track. Some folks do not believe Mr. Hertz was correct. I'd would be interested to read what Dennis Waldron had to say about it. Here is a couple of links:

 

Lionel 700EWX

Lionel 700EW

 

As far as getting your buddy to join is concerned: I am the only person in my group of collector friends participating on this forum.

 

Thanks for the links.  The really rare version goes for a shade over a grand, and the more common one for ten grand?  All is well in the field of Hudson collecting.  Wonder if that $35,000 Hudson is still under original seal?

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The really rare version goes for a shade over a grand, and the more common one for ten grand?

 

There is an old saying: "Condition is everything"

 

The 700EWX in the auction link was "partially restored", and had a chipped wheel.  In addition, there are some folks who do not believe the "X" variation was done at the factory.

 

If you are using the 700EW (no X) I linked as the "10,000 dollar engine", then one has to consider: the display board was included, individual and master boxes were included, and finally, the engine and tender were in excellent shape.

 

 

almost every 700ewx is a fake i have only ever seen one true "x" model 700e. compared to the bunch of fake ones. when it comes to buying prewar hudson's well even postwar 773's if you don't do your homework you can get ripped off in a hurry. back in the 70's hudson products offered replacement boiler shells for the 700e alot of these found their way onto 763e chassis that the boiler's had zinc rot and i have seen alot of notable auction houses selling these as 700ewx's and these also come up on ebay of course. also tell your friend not to buy a hudson online unless it is from someone they can really trust.  pictures can only show so much and pictures can be manipulated. 

p.s that 700ewx in that link is a fake look at the cab lettering that is a hudson products boiler same lettering that they used. originals are rubber stamped in silver, are never perfectly stamped, and are a completely different font. 700k's have do have white decals but since they are 70 years old they are more yellowish now. so you also have to watch for 700k's restored as 700e's on top of the 763e's converted to 700e's.  like i said tell him to do his homework if he has no clue what he is buying he very well will get taken advantage of. 

CW,

Although I'm late coming to this party, Lionel did indeed build a EW X version of the 700E with blind center drivers and taller flanges on the other wheels. Contrat to some comment posted here, the Hudson Products boiler will not fit a Lionel 700E or 763E frame and the Hudson Product boiler is too short by .130 (more than 1/8 of an inch) - which means the ladders in front don't fit properly.

Don Hagar shows an example of a EWX in his videos. In order to really confirm that you have a EWX you need the original boxes which are stamped that way. Otherwise it could just be a 700E that someone put the the drivers from the 763e on as the 763e had the blind center driver and larger flanges to run on tubular track. Thefactory did make the EWX based on the few examples with the boxes that confirm this. Provenance is everything in my mind for the EWX, I would want to know the lineage of owners before I invested that kind of money. If the original poster's friend wants to restore a beater to run on tubular track then that sounds like a fun project, but as far as the collector value goes it will always be a restoration that has questionable provenance on whether or nor it truly is an EWX. He may have more luck finding a 700e, restoring it and putting a set of 763e drivers on it.

CW,

Don't you know by now not to mention Dennis' name? Shame, shame..it's good to hear from him anyway.

 

Craig,

The drivers will not interchange. The 763 axle is larger.

Pappy,

 

Not true - the 700E and 763E used the same axle.

 

Dennis

Hello Dennis,

I stand corrected, Thank you!

Please help me to understand why I had to have 700E drivers machined to fit a 763 last month. I re-wheeled some 700E's  late last year without having to do so. I'm really confused now.                                                                                                                            

Pappy,

 

Without seeing the drivers I would suggest either of two possibilities. 1. The drivers were LTI versions from 1990, which were used on the remake of the 700E, which was based upon the 773 chassis and the smaller 773 axles; or 2. The wheels were original raw castings, which had not yet been bored to size. We have original raw castings from the 1936-1940 period, and aside from having to form the flange and tread of the wheel, the center bore needs to be trued.

 

Dennis

Dennis,

You're the professional  . I forgot that they were LTI. Word got around, I had five 700E's to re-wheel in a two month period just before Christmas. I finished the end of January. I'm the lucky one, my youngest is a machinist. I refuse to work on the buggers now . To many folks expect freebies these days .

Oh so true my friend!