Lionel PRR T1 Duplex 6-28063

I think I've heard of it negotiating O-63 inch curves. With the long rigid wheel base it probably won't like much smaller then that. Beautiful engine, have one. Can't wait to get a layout built to run it on. Yes it has the 2 chuffs.

 

Bill

Thanks for the info, Bill.  Is it O-60 that Lionel has for its Fastrack.  I wonder if it would negotiate that.?

 

Chicagoland hobby has one on eBay for $675 buy it now.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350795104281?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Larry,

 

I have the engine and here are some of my thoughts on it:

 

1)  No cruise.  I had the Train Doctor add EOB cruise (EOB is gone, so add ERR cruise)

2)  Only two chuffs/revolution.  Again, solved with EOB. 

3)  The four inside drivers are very wide and have caused some operators problems on some switches; the wide drivers shorts between the center and outside rails.  I had the Train Doctor bevel those four wheels to eliminate this problem.

4)  The engine is a great runner.

5)  It looks great!

6)  This is a big engine; I do not think it will go through an O-60 curve.

 

Ron

 

 

One of my personal favorites - I ran it quite a bit on our home layout which was all ScaleTrax and experienced no issues with the drivers shorting at all. The two chuffs essentially disappear when at medium or high speed and the whistle is really nice.  I've considered converting to DCS to obtain cruise and the variable chuffs but don't want to lose the deep whistle.

Here's ours at the club layout several months ago.

Wow, no cruise??  I would have thought it would have had that.  Hmmmm, not sure what to do now.  I guess that still could be added, right?

I have the Lionmaster  version of the T-1. Although I have O-72 curves on the mainline,  It negotiates O-36 curves in the yard nicely. On the lionmaster version the drivers are articulated to help it ease through the curves.

It is a good looking engine.  I have one.  It will not run on O-60, at least noton my O-60. 

 

It is old technology, I think it is only TMCC.  Regardless, I run only conventional and compared to recent Legacy locos (which run very well in conventional) it runs like a pig - not good at low speeds and very jackrabbit like when I try to adjust the throttle to run to at slow speeds.   Still, I bought it mostly to have a model of a T-1 and it is quite good.  It's sound is okay. 

 

I have the recent Legacy S-2 and it is amazing compatible with it: paint and graphics colors are identical - as if they were made in the same week and on the same assembly line.  The two locos look wonderful together - you can see the family resemblance, etc.  As a dsipaly model I would rec ommend it.  As a daily runner: no. It is just not up to recent Legacy standards as far as how ell it runs.

Mine gets a lot of run time (along with it's Lionmaster brother).  The steamboat whistle is very different.  I added ERR cruise and I also beveled the blind drivers a bit.

 

 

I bought mine when it was first offered and I was stationed in Germany, maybe what, 99 or 00.  I don't think Lionel cruise (Odyssey) was offered yet.  Made in USA.

Waiting on Lionel to reissue a Legacy version.... or better yet, a Vision Line

The beautiful T-1 was in one of the two Centennial catalogs from 2000 along with the N&W Class A and B&O EM-1 in the other. Three new large steamers in one year must have been quite a project for Lionel then!

The EM-1 did have Odyssey but the other two didn't. We've had all three with the A and the T-1 still here. I've never operated either one in conventional but both show a marked improvement in smoothness running with the Legacy Cab2 than with the TMCC Cab1.

Same here.  Love the engine, but I've seen too many reviews/comments which suggest the current scale version just wouldn't meet my expectations as an engine I'd want to run all the time (like the Legacy NKP765 & PM 1225 - could watch those all day).  My train budget is in serious trouble if Lionel ever issues Legacy versions of the UNSKIRTED PRR T1 and PRR S1 locomotives.  Two of the most handsome locomotives built in my mind...

Lee, as Sam pointed out above, operation of TMCC locomotives with Cab2 Legacy-based control systems breathes new life into TMCC operations -- something that is much overlooked as folks trip over themselves to acquire the latest version of everything Lionel makes.

 

So I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss this TMCC locomotive in a Legacy environment.  Conventional control is a whole different animal from Legacy.  

 

David

The Pennsy T1 is probably my favorite engine. When MTH cataloged the T1 back in 1998 I believe, I pre-ordered one. It was cataloged as the unskirted version, but was made as the skirted version. I would have preferred the unskirted one, but I like the skirted one also.

 

When Lionel made the unskirted version I wanted to get one, but like many others here on the forum, there always seems to be more stuff you want than there is money to buy them. I put it on my wish list.

 

Early last year I decided to try to pickup some stuff before I retired that had been on my "wish list" for years. I managed to find a NIB Lionel T1 at a good price and bought it.

 

For those interested, there is a review of the MTH, Lionel and 3rd Rail T1's in the January 2001 OGR (Run 177) beginning on page 48.

 

 

If it only has 32 TMCC speed steps in the engine, how does operating those same 32 speed steps with a $400 controller make it run better?

3)  The four inside drivers are very wide and have caused some operators problems on some switches; the wide drivers shorts between the center and outside rails.  I had the Train Doctor bevel those four wheels to eliminate this problem.

I would love to see a picture of the work done on these. I have been running mine on the one track I have that doesn't have a switch.

Scott Smith

The next T1 should be modeled with the streamlined pilot but without wheel shrouding.  Broadway Limited made this model in HO recently with the streamlined pilot but exposed driving wheels.  The "as delivered" model.

 

http://www.broadway-limited.co...n2prrt-14-4-4-4.aspx

 

 

The next T1 should be modeled with the streamlined pilot but without wheel shrouding.  It is my understanding this is how the T1 fleet appeared until late in their service life.

 

Weaver, Williams and 3rd Rail have released brass T1's in this configuration.

 

 

I have the T1. It's a very smooth running engine. It does not come with cruise. Err sells a direct replacement for the motor driver board so it can have cruise. A simple board swap.  You will also need to replace the r2lc as it came stock with version 7. Err needs version 8. Again its a swap out. I did the upgrade on my engine and it really creeps around the layout. The middle drivers ard wide and unless beveled may short out on switches.  I had mine beveled. The smoke is fan driven unit but it does not puff.  Its an ok smoker for the time period. I love mine and it sees regular use on my layout.

Video showing the 3rd Rail T1, #5511 as built in the Juniata Shops.

 

You mean like the Sunset/3rd Rail model

Those T shots are majorly outrageous !  The modernized version with lotsa weathering really hits the sweet spot on this chooch.  I think all that road grime was actually part of the paint print !

 

That is EXACTLY the version & appearance I would love to have in an O-gauge T1.  Thanks for posting the pics Hot Water!

 

 

This is the style of T1 that should next be made in die cast.  This is the style that was commonly in use following delivery of many of the T1s.  This model is by Broadway Limited in HO.  It is the "as delivered" version.  MTH is in the best position to make this model of the T1 since their earlier model of the prototype T1 had the streamlined pilot.  All they would need to do is cut away the shrouding over the driving wheels.

 

http://www.broadway-limited.co...n2prrt-14-4-4-4.aspx

 

The Pennsy T1 is my favorite.  I'd consider buying another one if it were numbered and configured correctly for me.

 

Norm

I know, and that is a consideration for others.  I don't think anybody wants to get drawn into another discussion of TMCC, Legacy, DCS, or why and how I run only conventionally.  The fact is I do.  another fact is that if you use the right controller, etc., TMCC behaves itself well, but will never match Legacy if used with those controllers.  I understand all that.  Indisputable.

 

What I do know is that, for me, running only conventionally, a ZW-L controls everything a bit better than anything else, but that even a ZW-L does not make TMCC locos run as smoothly as I want conventionally.  I buy TMCC locos anyway, knowing this, because I want to model: my T-1 being one, and a 3rd Rail ATSF 2900 Northern I bought knowing it was TMCC only - but that was immaterial since it was going on display in a case in my office at work (fantastic model, by the way).

My point, which affects what I run more than what I buy, is that absolutely nothing, not even purely conventional locos like those from WBB, runs as well for me at low speeds conventionally, and has as linear and finely distinguished throttle response and as effective cruise control, as say, the recent Legacy Berkshire or UP H-7.  Simply fantastic!

You are ignoring the fact that the construction of the fifty post war T1's were divided evenly between Baldwin and the PRR Juniata shops. The Baldwin units were built with the porthole pilots and more complete streamlining, while the Altoona example photos were posted by HOT WATER. 3rd Rail imported both the Baldwin and Altoona models

I added the ERR Cruise to my T1, as I had mentioned.  With Legacy, and Ver. 1.51 I get 100 speed steps using the R100 setting.  It runs great.

I'm fascinated by and glad there are folks who know all these details.  I'm just happy to have a decent model of a T-1 - any T-1.  I love to display loco models so I can study and compare them, as with the T-1 and Legacy S-2 here.  They are clearly not just from the same railroad, and not just related at birth, but closely related.

I believe these are the scale versions that have been made.

 

MTH and 3rd Rail have made the original (6110 and 6111) skirted versions.

 

Weaver, Williams and 3rd Rail have made the unskirted version with portholes.

 

Lionel, 3rd Rail and Right-Of -Way have made the unskirted version without portholes.

I would have kept my Lionel scale T1 if it wasn't for the tender being modified for the cab overhang of the S2 Turbine (right?)...

A lot has been written about the T1 here over the years.  I have 3: an MTH 6110,a 3rd Rail model and the Lionel version.  The 3rd Rail model is the smoothest runner.  I love the looks of the streamlined 6110,and the Lionel engine runs very well.  So my collection has the streamlined ,reduced steamlining model, and stripped version.

3rd Rail actually offered three models: one of each style or build out.

 I might add that all 3 of mine are TMCC and EOB.

Norm

 

This string prompted me to grab and fire up my Lionel T1 under Legacy control in order to refresh my memory about its attributes. Years ago I had modified the T1 with EOB shortly after it became available. Fortuitously, EOB and the big T1 handshake very well. Smooth very slow speed, 4-chuffs/rev., and a very broad smooth speed step range, all with absolutely no EOB resonance. Tower com does specifically address the T1 as 5511. Combine all of this with the steamboat whistle, reasonable smoke production, and an industrial stength look particular to the Lionel version, one can conclude that the engine is still pretty 'competitive' and capable of putting on an impressive show. Heck, it has a tender as good as the new S2. 

 

As memory serves, I believe that many/most of the parts for this engine were made in Korea and sent to Michigan for final assembly which makes its mode of manufacture rather unusual (Those few who may know more on this point may wish to comment). If a Legacy version were to be done, the origin of some of the tooling may be problematic and a redo of the tender would be a must.

 

So, my experience parallels that of many others here. If you can find one at the right price and do an ERR (or EOB, if you have one) mod, the Lionel T1 becomes an unusual and enjoyable piece to have and operate.

 

Bob

I want a LionMaster version with the port holes and skirts.  Why, so it can make it around the radius I have and look just like the painting I have of the T-1 from PRR 1944 wall calendar.

You are ignoring the fact that the construction of the fifty post war T1's were divided evenly between Baldwin and the PRR Juniata shops. The Baldwin units were built with the porthole pilots and more complete streamlining, while the Altoona example photos were posted by HOT WATER. 3rd Rail imported both the Baldwin and Altoona models

T1s 5500-5524 were built by PRR while 5525-5549 were built by Baldwin.  Even the PRR T1s had the streamlined pilot coming out of the shops as evidenced by this photo of 5505 from Bill's Pennsy Photos:  http://www.billspennsyphotos.c...oto?photoid=72302803

 

The streamlining is evocative of the fast passenger trains these locomotives were designed to serve.  

 

 

Guess some did and some didn't. good subject for some research.

A builders photo of #5511

 

 

Even if some of the T1s "came out of the shop" with that streamlined pilot with port holes, I'll bet that didn't last long anyway. Probably would have been pretty difficult to work on the cylinders with that "extra sheet metal" in the way.

PRR T1 No. 5511 was built at Altoona without skirts or portholes. See the builder's photo in Staufer's "Pennsy Power" (Vol. 1), pages 219 and 225. This is in agreement with Charlie's post above.

 

Bob

5511 was an exception and a model for later modification of the T1s built in the as delivered version with the streamlined pilot.

 

5519 with streamlined pilot:

 

http://www.billspennsyphotos.c...oto?photoid=72302807

 

Shouldn't MTH hang an "Admiral" plate on the nose of its model of 6110?

 

http://www.billspennsyphotos.c...oto?photoid=72302828

 

5503 in service with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15503.JPG

 

5504 in service with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15504.JPG

 

5506 in service with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15506.JPG

 

5515 in service with pilot streamlining (but down to one porthole)

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15515.JPG

 

5516 at St. Louis with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15516.JPG

 

5517 with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15517.JPG

 

5519 with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15519.JPG

 

5524 with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15524.JPG

 

5526 with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15526.JPG

 

 5527 with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15527.JPG

 

5533 with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15533.JPG

 

5534 with pilot streamlining but down to one porthole)

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15534.JPG

 

 5536 with pilot streamlining

 

http://prrsteam.pennsyrr.com/images/t15536.JPG