Lionel Regarding Your Missouri Pacific Alco PA's - The color is wrong.

I had a set of the American Flyer Missouri Pacific PAs when I was a kid, fantastic.

I hope your post finds its mark and the "Catalog Art" can be as such.

I think the blue for catologs is darker just for printing purposes.

BUT, did you see the paint scheme for the Mopac SD40?

I think there was only one SD40 that had a scheme like that out of hundreds of Mopac SD40s. And that was later in its life after a wreck down in Mexico I believe. Surely that can't be what they are producing.

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Dan

Guys,

I spoke to Ryan Kunkle "Project manager of high end Locomotives" today via email about the Mopac engines. The things I talked to him about were:

1. Numbers on the Alco PA's 8018 & 8019. 8019 is wrong because it was a PA phase 3 and would not have had the arched rain gutter like Phase 1 &2. I suggested any number below 8018 maybe 8017. And he said he could fix that.

2. Paint scheme and color of blue on the SD-40. He said they had all of about an hour to come of with the art work and had no real images of the Mopac SD-40. I sent him pictures of the correct paint job (basically the same as there GP-35) and sent him some paint colors on this link.

 http://www.lonestarregion.com/...quil_Color_Chart.pdf

and showed him this picture of an Atlas GP35 and one Lionel GP35 I bought

So maybe they could darken up there units. Personally I am glad that I only bought one of Lionel's GP-35's because it a orphan with all the others. Also Lionel needs to paint the fuel tank and side frames the same blue.

Ryan told me that he would be approving the colors and in his second response to me he said "Thanks for the links! I will definitely follow up on this and do my best to get colors as close to the real thing as possible". So I think we are in good shape.

Joe

Jenks Blue is darker than Eagle Blue.

I didn't buy the Lionel GP35's because their Jenks Blue was too light. MTH and Atlas got it right on their SD40-2's, U33's and GP35's.

I also didn't buy the Lionel MKT SD40-2's because their green was way too dark.

I would have been more tempted to buy these new PA's if they had done 21" cars in the Eagle scheme. We shall see I guess.

Palallin, where are you from? Nice uniform. I gather you do living history / reenactment events? I do too.

I would have been more tempted to buy these new PA's if they had done 21" cars in the Eagle scheme.

I agree, that's a big drawback.  If Lionel produced the cars, it would be one of the best looking trains they ever produced.

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I had a set of the American Flyer Missouri Pacific PAs when I was a kid, fantastic.

You had a gem there J Daddy!

Unfortunately, even for big ticket automobiles, you can't count on the printing process

for an accurate rendition. Don't order a car out of the catalog (unless you are not picky

about colors), unless you have seen the real shade on a car in the sunlight.  So the

MoPac catalog color might be way off.

I am looking forward to seeing a model of this set. 

I think an E3 model is in order too.

The correct color for Eagle blue is Cerulean Blue.It is a lighter blue than Jenks Blue.

I am really excited that Lionel is finally offering MOPAC LEGACY PA's. I knew they were in the works an as promised I am ordering three A-B-A sets (I know MOPAC had no PB's but no one has made MOPAC E7 or E8 B's yet.

NOW! WHEN WILL WE GET MATCHING 21" EAGLE PASSENGER CARS!

The cars will come out on the next catalog of course with the re-release of the 1601 Allegheny Vision line Engine, and the scale CZ zephyr cars..... Choices, choices...

I would think that the MoPac E3s would be a hard one to get made. I think they are the only E3s with porthole window side panels as with their E6s and E7s. Funny how EMD later made porthole window panels standard on the E8 and E9. 

Dan

Hello, guys--

Did anyone ever get an answer to the question of the proper light blue color for the Missouri Eagle PA's?

A friend of mine from Missouri wants a Missouri Eagle train, presumably Lionel.

I had to advise him as follows:

o  Order the PA's because if he doesn't they are closer to being cancelled, and if that happens, all will think there is no market, and he will never have another opportunity.

o  Remember that the engines are just a down payment on the seven 21" passenger cars.  If painted in Eagle colors, they will be more than this years stainless cars.

o  As to the shade of blue, just plan on sending them off to a custom painter to mask and lighten the blue.

o  His 0-27 track will have to be upgraded ("O" 0-54 with 0-72 easements-- 5/8" offset-- at each end will work, and a couple of 0-72 switches in place of the easements will make an outside siding at 5" spacing or so without any need to cut rail sections.)

o  He will have to get a legacy controller to see all the bells and whistles.

Do as I might, each hurdle seemed only to whet his enthusiasm.  I think he sees this being so popular that a shovel-nosed E-3 is bound to appear out of the weeds.

o  After all this investment, the MoPac Eagle may be seen as a great market opportunity by all.  Someone (those who deal in brass engines, doubtless) will produce the iconic shovel-nosed E-3 with the iconic light blue.  Once I told him this, there was no holding him back...

...now about that paint?  Surely someone must know, or is no one talking until April 15th...

TIA,  Frank   (Just IMHO about the dynamics of the classic train market)

Are either the Williams F-3 or the MTH passenger cars the correct blue?

Lew Schneider