I have seen Trainworld's video of the new GG1. I think it looks bad. I think they should had a better model set up to view. The ladder is all bent up there is no numbers in the number boards. Many other things just not right. I wont buy this for just the flickering pantographs. This flickering could be made on your own. What does every one else think. So this modelis going to cost a few hundred more than the other scale version for just flickering pantographs?
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It's a pre production mock up model that has been dragged to hobby shops, train shows, and York. It has seen more miles than most peoples cars. I wouldn't take much away in appearance from that video.
Since I currently don't own a GG1 I am most likely in for one. The price is better than I expected.
The price to me is shocking!
The prototypes used are typically for proof of concept. You should expect a wonderful GG1 from Lionel when these get shipped late this year.
Plus the real added cost is the new tooling for the riveted body style. One can image what the tool for a die-cast GG1 shell would cost nowadays.
I'm getting one. I just don't yet know to get "Old Rivets" or the smooth Penn 5 stripe dark green one. And I do appreciate having a choice.
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Pricing is just right in my opinion ~ $1150 for a Vision product. Not too bad.
I'm fine with mine. No sparking, but it runs perfectly and will pull a LOT of big cars. See video here. 
Nawlins posted:Pricing is just right in my opinion ~ $1150 for a Vision product. Not too bad.
With MINT and Like-New JLC-series GG1's going for $450-$550 (except the PC black-jack), that's a hefty premium for the flashing LED/sparks effect. Of course, Lionel could knock our socks off with great detailing on the "rivets" models , and that could be a unique draw too. Still a hefty premium though. Once you get past the brand-new-train syndrome, ya gotta ask yourself.... "Could I sell it for $1150-$1200 here on the forum?" 
Time will tell.
The model at York last October was VERY underwhelming for a Vision Line product... and that was presumably "early on" in its life before hitting the road and making the rounds as a demo unit. For folks who don't yet own a scale GG1 and are feeling the itch in 2016, how can you NOT ignore the JLC models out there for 1/2 to even 1/3 the price tag? 
Aside from a possible "rivets" model, I don't see the welded body models being that much of a draw at $1150-$1200. But everybody gets to decide what floats their boat.
David
Please be advised the GG1 Is A MAP Item. I believe if dealers sell below MAP Lionel will be cutting orders from certain dealers... Our price is at MAP and by playing by the rules I know I will get them from Lionel...
MartyE posted:It's a pre production mock up model that has been dragged to hobby shops, train shows, and York. It has seen more miles than most peoples cars. I wouldn't take much away in appearance from that video.
Since I currently don't own a GG1 I am most likely in for one. The price is better than I expected.
When you take into account the guys purchasing the first time production runs essentially eat the product development costs, "re-runs with legacy" are probably really not much more expensive to build.
KenJrTW posted:Please be advised the GG1 Is A MAP Item. I believe if dealers sell below MAP Lionel will be cutting orders from certain dealers... Our price is at MAP and by playing by the rules I know I will get them from Lionel...
Ken, that may be true. But MAP is a slippery slope that I wouldn't tolerate as a dealer if Lionel is trying to enforce that as a minimum SELLING price... Especially when dealers are now incurring increased risk with Lionel's BTO products. MAP means your provider (Lionel in this case) doesn't want you overtly ADVERTISING for less. Doesn't mean you can't sell it for less to buyers.
The 115th Anniversary silver Berk was a MAP product also -- at $1999.95 or so. And now dealers can't even move their inventory at $1750. What's Lionel doing for you to help move those overpriced shelf queens? 
The black Berks from the same production run had a pre-order price of $1020. So that's almost another grand for silver nano-plating or whatever name Lionel called it. No thank you. 
Be creative if needed. There are ways to sell under MAP without the Lionel pricing police short-shipping you product.
David
I gotta agree with those who think the price is too high. I mean, just a few LED's blinking off and on to simulate sparks from the catenary? For $1200 or whatever.
No thanks. Maybe $650
I'm super excited for the Spirit of '76 GG1! Gotta have it!
KenJrTW posted:Please be advised the GG1 Is A MAP Item. I believe if dealers sell below MAP Lionel will be cutting orders from certain dealers... Our price is at MAP and by playing by the rules I know I will get them from Lionel...
Well, lotsa luck on selling this mediocre product at that higha price.
KenJrTW posted:Please be advised the GG1 Is A MAP Item. I believe if dealers sell below MAP Lionel will be cutting orders from certain dealers... Our price is at MAP and by playing by the rules I know I will get them from Lionel...
This dog wont hunt.
I can’t wait to see what a “RIVITED” GG-1 looks like as Lionel calls it in the catalog. Whoever wrote that probably grew up playing with Hot Wheels “Rivited” cars. The proofreaders let that one slip by!
Bill
Not sure but I think Lionel cannot put a bottom price on it to sell at. , Not real sure where that would land in the courts. I do like the PRR 21" cars. But I'm not paying the amount of what Lionel wants for a new GG1 when I can get it for half of that on the net.
It looks like only sound cars this time around.
It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a three rail hobbyist who has no interest in a GG1 must be in need of posting about the price of the item . How does one rationally decide between secondary market items without warranty in many cases from several years ago and a new item made next year with a warranty? Certainly hard to do for someone else.
Landsteiner posted:It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a three rail hobbyist who has no interest in a GG1 must be in need of posting about the price of the item
Could you be a distant relative of J. Austen? With Darcy's 10,000 per year, Lizzie could afford a GG-1.
enjoy your trains...
No relation. Just a pretentious Anglophile .
Austen also has good advice for those thinking to help us make decisions about warranty-less older GG1s versus newer, whizzier (sic) models that might suit others, but not us:
"We have all a better guide in ourselves, if we would attend to it, than any other person can be."
Landsteiner, I agree. "I think he must be rather a dressy man for his time of life. Such a number of looking-glasses!"
I was going for a GG-1 until I saw 0-4-0 and 0-8-0 B&O steamers in this catalog.
enjoy your trains...
WftTrains posted:I can’t wait to see what a “RIVITED” GG-1 looks like as Lionel calls it in the catalog. Whoever wrote that probably grew up playing with Hot Wheels “Rivited” cars. The proofreaders let that one slip by!
Bill
Looks like this:
I can't get a clear catalog picture of the riveted #4800 in five stripe. Their green is waaaay to light. Will seriously consider this piece, as I grew up with this motor in and around Elizabeth N.J.
Old Rivets is very interesting...I wish I could see an actual model instead of a drawing though...this could be a hard decision given that I want to get the Reading T-1.
Big Jim posted:WftTrains posted:I can’t wait to see whaa “RIVITED” GG-1 looksitlike as Lionel calls it in the catalog. Whoever wrote that probably grew up playing with Hot Wheels “Rivited” cars. The proofreaders let that one slip by!
Bill
Looks like this:
Jim,
Yes, that is a photo of the first GG-1, the well-known riveted GG1, not a "rivited" GG-1 as Lionel spells it in the catalog. Not only is it a spelling error but the word "rivited" has a different meaning in the toy business. If you do a google search on the word "rivited" you'll see that Mattel used it for a series of Hot Wheels cars and the derivation of the word had nothing to do with how the cars were constructed.
Bill
Yes, that is a photo of the first GG-1, the well-known riveted GG1, not a "rivited" GG-1 as Lionel spells it in the catalog. Not only is it a spelling error but the word "rivited" has a different meaning in the toy business. If you do a google search on the word "rivited" you'll see that Mattel used it for a series of Hot Wheels cars and the derivation of the word had nothing to do with how the cars were constructed.
Of all the things to get upset about...
If one is to pay $1300 for a GG1, I think they understand what a riveted/rivited GG1 is.
I wonder if the flashing pantographs are always on, or if they can be turned on and off as desired from the remote?
TrainingDave posted:Yes, that is a photo of the first GG-1, the well-known riveted GG1, not a "rivited" GG-1 as Lionel spells it in the catalog. Not only is it a spelling error but the word "rivited" has a different meaning in the toy business. If you do a google search on the word "rivited" you'll see that Mattel used it for a series of Hot Wheels cars and the derivation of the word had nothing to do with how the cars were constructed.
Of all the things to get upset about...
If one is to pay $1300 for a GG1, I think they understand what a riveted/rivited GG1 is.
You obviously missed my point as I knew exactly what they were talking about as will everyone else who will read that catalog. My point was that you should have people who can write catalogs without obvious errors in the product they are describing, especially a TOY selling for $1,300. As one who was often involved in approving copy for product catalogs at a major corporation, those kinds of errors undermine the credibility of the entire organization to potential customers and are absolutely intolerable by management.
Bill
Always interesting how we find little things to talk ourselves out of buying something we really want.
First, let me say that I have never had an interest in the GG-1, from the post-war era on. And I agree with some of what David (RM) and others say about Lionel and/or dealer pricing - in general. But in this case I think that you're missing the mark.
The positive on this model verses the previous versions:
> It's new, comes with a warranty, and is available in a variety of models that you can choose from - not one that you have to try to find on the secondary market (or have to repaint).
> It is available in a version not produced before - riveted.
> The pantographs:
Are motorized and can be individually raised and lowered - by the remote.
Automatically raise or lower depending on the direction of travel.
Sparking with sound effects. Although this is being downplayed, I believe there is more potential in this feature than realized, especially in low ambient light.
These pantograph features have at least the same play-value as whistle steam, and more than a slowly moving coal pile.
> Stereo Sound.
> Die-cast Vision Line engine with new features.
Although I have no interest in the model per se, I look forward to seeing the videos when they arrive - taken in low light, especially.
Dave
You can be riveted to your catalog and the rivets displayed on the new model, but not rivited, because this is not a word. Only Kermit the frog and his ilk can rivit, and being a smart frog, may object to the language of his native tongue being used improperly, as he should be. Peace, frog.
Of course, again being a smart frog, he may be open to new marketing and promotional opportunities. Make it the rivit version with an O scale Kermit in the hot seat. Oh, just imagine the crew talk! Now you got something there.
Rocky Mountaineer posted:Nawlins posted:Pricing is just right in my opinion ~ $1150 for a Vision product. Not too bad.
With MINT and Like-New JLC-series GG1's going for $450-$550 (except the PC black-jack), that's a hefty premium for the flashing LED/sparks effect. Of course, Lionel could knock our socks off with great detailing on the "rivets" models , and that could be a unique draw too. Still a hefty premium though. Once you get past the brand-new-train syndrome, ya gotta ask yourself.... "Could I sell it for $1150-$1200 here on the forum?"
The model at York last October was VERY underwhelming for a Vision Line product... and that was presumably "early on" in its life before hitting the road and making the rounds as a demo unit. For folks who don't yet own a scale GG1 and are feeling the itch in 2016, how can you NOT ignore the JLC models out there for 1/2 to even 1/3 the price tag?
David
I guess you can assume I like the "bells and whistles!" Lol...and those always come at a premium!
Nawlins posted:...I guess you can assume I like the "bells and whistles!" Lol...and those always come at a premium!
As long as you're having fun along the way, that's all that counts! 
Sorry but for what you get the price is just too high. Sparking pantos, give me a break!
Ill stick with ones I have.
Price IS much better than I expected , I'll order at least TWO.
I wonder if the flashing pantographs are always on, or if they are turned on and off as desired from the remote?
Anyone know the answer?
Thanks,
Craignor posted:I wonder if the flashing pantographs are always on, or if they are turned on and off as desired from the remote?
Anyone know the answer?
Thanks,
You'll be able to turn the flashing off w/ the cab2 so long as you have 1.6 uploaded.
TrainingDave posted:Craignor posted:I wonder if the flashing pantographs are always on, or if they are turned on and off as desired from the remote?
Anyone know the answer?
Thanks,
You'll be able to turn the flashing off w/ the cab2 so long as you have 1.6 uploaded.
Well since I have not written the code yet, I better keep this feature in mind....
SantaFeFan posted:TrainingDave posted:Craignor posted:I wonder if the flashing pantographs are always on, or if they are turned on and off as desired from the remote?
Anyone know the answer?
Thanks,
You'll be able to turn the flashing off w/ the cab2 so long as you have 1.6 uploaded.
Well since I have not written the code yet, I better keep this feature in mind....
Thanks...it may be nice to at times have it on, and at times to have it off.
Wouldn't it make sense for it to be on only when the pantograph(s) are up, and the unit is moving?
i.e., keyed to the already planned function of motorized pantographs.
Dave
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