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I recently got the Plug-Expand-Play Lionelville Hobby Shop SKU: 6-85294 and out of nowhere the trains inside stopped working.  There is no motor sound at all from inside which leads me to believe either the switch has failed or there is another electrical issue inside.  All the lights work if I put the Plug-Expand-Play switch in the off position but if I try to move the switch to on / motion nothing happens and all the lights go out.  I have searched the forums but all I can find is info on the older version with the wiring diagram for that version.

Does anyone have info on the updated Plug-Expand-Play version or any thoughts on what might be wrong and where I can start troubleshooting?

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The switch I ordered arrived today and of course it wasn't the one Lionel designates for the hobby shop only, can't find one of those, and it didn't work. I reached out to Lionel support for any suggestions they might have.  Frustrating that for such an expensive item I got just one month of it working on the layout.

It's issues like these that cause people to shy away from these expensive accessories.  Not that they break down, but the manufacturer is unable to help.

I'm certain they'd love to assist, but unfortunately I bet a third party designed and developed the product for them. 

Thus they do not have the direct knowledge or replacement parts needed to assist a customer without first going back to the third party.

I happy to report my Hobby Shop returned from Lionel yesterday fixed and working correctly!  I have had nothing but good experiences dealing with Lionel repair services and once again they came through.

For now, I plan on leaving the Hobby Shop switch in the "off" position and starting it only once I have my layout up and running.  Not sure if it matters but maybe starting right up in the on position when I powered up my layout caused the issue?

It's hard to tell what variation this is without a picture. I recently purchased the "Madison Hardware" shop, an item I've wanted for a long time, picture below, and lights worked but trains did not. It was advertised as "new" but I suspect someone used it, it broke and/or it didn't work, put it back in the box and sold it, with me being the last sucker. I've been "around the block" in this hobby long enough to be able to differentiate a "new" item from one that someone made to look "new," but am not clairvoyant when it comes to buying online. I messed around for a couple of hours trying to get it to work, and then returned it for refund...fortunately for me I bought it via e-bay which has policies despite some sellers stating "no returns."

I have to admit in recent years I've now purchased a good number of Lionel and MTH items on the secondary market advertised as "New" and/or "mint" yet they were anything but. I don't mind fixing stuff as long as the "price is right" and it was truthfully advertised. Caveat Emptor as Tinplate Art used to say.

MadisonHardware

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FWIW, was just dealing with his exact one last night. That is a common pancake motor.

@zhubl posted:

I have the same hobby shop (now definitely WAY out of warranty) exact same issue but in my case the motor has failed. Was wondering if anyone has ever had to replace these motors, the drive box is not available from Lionel

  • Voltage 5V; Rated Speed: 6000RPM; Wire Length : 11cm/4.3";
  • Motor Body Size: 24 x 12mm/ 0.94" x 0.47"(D* H); Shaft Size: 7 x 2mm/ 0.28" x 0.08"(L*D)

https://www.amazon.com/Antrade...ctric/dp/B07DD9FP3G/

I know first had the above motors work.

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Lionel does not list the dimensions but searching all motors, I found this.

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...-ROUND-NO-HARDWARE_3

this one from Tug-of-war may also work- but $12

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...ND-W-GEAR-TUG-OF-WAR

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@Vernon Barry Awesome thanks so much, I haven't looked too hard yet hoping someone else has already had to replace there motor. I did go through a few lionel motors but didn't see those but for $8 and have 3 motors that's hard to beat considering I know it'll fail again at some point. This goes on our traveling layout so it gets a lot of use in little increments.

@zhubl posted:

@Vernon Barry Awesome thanks so much, I haven't looked too hard yet hoping someone else has already had to replace there motor. I did go through a few lionel motors but didn't see those but for $8 and have 3 motors that's hard to beat considering I know it'll fail again at some point. This goes on our traveling layout so it gets a lot of use in little increments.

Again, a local friend and repair tech was working on one for the local shop that died after running for one day on display. His motor did have a dead spot on the armature and would not self start much of the time. That made me pull mine out and inspect it, and try to wrap my head around these failures since this is not the first one I had heard of. My personal one had a minor stackup tolerance issue where in the gearbox, the output gear with the longer shaft (left side when looking at the accessory) when the lower gear is pressed up into the grey gear housing, this spreads the shank of the gear shaft binding into the gearbox bushing hole. I reamed the grey plastic housing hole to enlarge it to reduce the friction- and thus lower the total load on the motor.

I don't know if that contributes or is a cause of failures, but a point I took care of on mine since I had it open.

Again, basic working theory- the gearbox and specifically the one output shaft side swells when the lower gear is pressed into the D shaft of the internal gear shaft structure, this added friction and binding loads the motor causing higher than expected amperage draw, and that motor being somewhat limited in brushes and other detail, dies and becomes intermittent- causing this problem.

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FWIW, was just dealing with his exact one last night. That is a common pancake motor.

  • Voltage 5V; Rated Speed: 6000RPM; Wire Length : 11cm/4.3";
  • Motor Body Size: 24 x 12mm/ 0.94" x 0.47"(D* H); Shaft Size: 7 x 2mm/ 0.28" x 0.08"(L*D)

https://www.amazon.com/Antrade...ctric/dp/B07DD9FP3G/

I know first had the above motors work.

Screen Shot 2023-12-16 at 9.58.43 AM

Lionel does not list the dimensions but searching all motors, I found this.

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...-ROUND-NO-HARDWARE_3

this one from Tug-of-war may also work- but $12

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...ND-W-GEAR-TUG-OF-WAR

Vernon, I've used similar motors before (auction site purchases) that were advertised as VCR parts.

One question/thought I've had, are these motors available with different output speeds? I ask because I repaired a Menards nuclear power plant and it too used a similar motor to rotate the assembly that puts off the disco ball look (don't recall if it was a reflector or what, been a couple years). Anyway, after repair, the lighting effect is triple the speed it was previously.

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