Look what my Dad just gave me

Nice!!

Since they're LIONEL ™, little oil should get them moving.  If you want to clean up pretty, there is an OGR Jim Barrett Backshop video on cleaning them really well.  Can't remember the number of the vid however.

Very nice. The steam engine "665" is postwar from the mid 1950's on.

 

George

I cleaned a steamer like that for a friend of mine a few years back.  I turned the engine over and picked all the carpet lint, dog hair, and any other foreign debris out of the running gear using tweezers and hemostats.  Lube it up and it just be ready to go.  Does the headlight work?

Flash:

 

Dave or Jim have a pretty good run down on whipping these into shape across the street.

I have one of those 665 hudsons.  Great runner.  

The F3 set I think has can motors. You need only to make sure the grease on the gears is not too old and caked up and oil the axles, oil all the passenger cars axles.

The 665 needs to have all the old grease removed and redone and both ends of the armature need oiling, as well as the axles. The armature commutator may be in need of cleaning as well as the brushes, or it may need new ones. Before you run it do the grease job.

Rob

oops, Pete or Jim . . ..  or Rob. 

That is a old 665. I learned about model trains at a very early age on one of these. It would be a time when my father cleaned it up and (AFTER DISASSEMBLY) hit it with a can of Rustoleum engine black. It turned out well.

 

Once you clean it up really good and lube it carefully, you might be pleased to find this engine a good performer. Solid as a Schmicht Brickhouse to boot.

! Good luck with your new toys.

You're some lucky guy! The F3 looks great! As Oldrob already posted, the commutator of the 665 might need some cleaning. The copper clad sections might be dirty. A cotton swab and a little alcohol can do miracles, carefully clean the grooves between the sections. They are usually filled with dirt, coming of the brushes and create some kind of a short circuit.

Have a good time,

 

Kieffer

All of the above + lube the tender wheels and take off the shell to put a drop of oil on the whistle motor armature. Use a light touch when putting the shell back; overtightning the screw will crack the shell.

Enjoy!

Wow! Cherish your dad! I have a 665, and it is bulletproof. I also have the PW Santa Fe 2353's (my first locomotives, and my favorite livery). Those PW passenger cars are exquisite! Enjoy!

The powered F-3 has dual open frame AC motors and magnetraction. The dummy A unit has conventional railsounds. The B unit is just a dummy. When I ran the F-3s by themselves they started out kinda sluggish and slow. After a few minutes of running they started to pick up the pace. By themselves the passenger cars don't seem to roll very smoothly. Maybe I can lube the axles. I haven't tried to run the 665 yet. Part of the cab is bent and part of the drawbar guide is broken but it's still there. Maybe I can glue it.

Flash:  The F-3's are from the early 1990's. They were shown with a string of highly polished aluminum cars with  smooth/mirror finished roof's; a rather impressive line of cars. While they were shown together, they were open stock sales. The observation car is a Vista Observation, something new for LIONEL at that time; as well as an add-on of a duplex sleeper and a full length vista-dome car. A super set (?) only exceeded by the year 2000 Super Santa Fe  Anniversary Set!

 

          The F-3's will probably need some service to clean up the commutators on the motors and the brushes and brushplates. Lubing the motor housing bearing and the thrust races and washers and the top of the armature will have the motors run smoother. Fresh grease in the gearbox can only improve performance.  This unit should have early Railsounds (2.0) in the companion Dummy A. Not bad for its time, but the horn is multi chime, not a single. Strange, as we all heard this then and when they finally got it right; some of us were disappointed in the "flat" sound of the single horn!

 Be sure to lub the axle bushing on all the F-3 chassis, so they will roll easily.

 

         Check the axles and wheels on the aluminum cars for wear, as grease alone will not take away the drag if they are worn down.

 

         There is a illusive companion F-3B unit # 8103 that was short run to add to the trio. Can be found for sale from time to time at various prices - shop around.  Story goes, that they were in such short supply, that LIONEL in  Mt. Clemens, MI., when they were running the Santa Fe Train, even had a sign on their layout that stated;" even we could not get one"!!!!  I think that was to defray some of the flack that were getting when people had a hard time purchasing one and complained. Hope this helps and have fun running them.  Dennis M.

It looks like the f3's are from 1991 as are the passenger cars.  I have the same set.   They have pulmor motors and early railsounds.

Flash,

Santa, aka Dad, came early.  Enjoy.   Killian

 

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Very nice! It won't hurt to put a drop of oil on each passenger cars' axle, both sides, and clean the wheels and rollers with a Scotchbrite pad. The motor in the powered A unit should have a drop or two of oil on both ends of the armature, and on the pins the gears turn on. Clean the wheels and rollers on both A units with the Scotchbrite, and enjoy. The 665 has four screws holding the frame to the body, on the underside, you can take the frame off easily, oil both ends of the armature, and all of the pins that the gears spin on. A drop of oil on each axle bushing where the axle goes through, and a light dab of grease on the gears. You can turn the wheels by hand to distribute the grease, before running. Try the chassis on the track, make sure the light lights and the smoke unit works. If they don't, and you are handy you can change them and repair the smoke unit with a liquid smoke unit or a pill type unit, which ever you prefer. Unless the roof is badly bent, I would let it alone, it is difficult to straighten, and easy to break. I think that just keeping things the way they are, would be best. IMHO.

Thank you everybody for all the comments and advice. My Dad always told me that I would get all his old trains when he died. When I opened that box I think I was more scared than happy to receive them. I wondered why he was sending me all this stuff now. Was something lurking around the corner? He says he is doing just fine and has realized that he is holding on to too much stuff that he will never be able to use again.

Hi Flash, sometimes we dads do things simply to make our kids happy.

Amen to that! And add grandkids to the mix. I started to do this last year when some of the boys showed interest. I started going through my collection, fixing up some post war for them or in some cases giving them new in the box stuff. The enjoyment of seeing their faces can't be measured.

As others have noted, give the 665 a good cleaning.

 

These "baby Hudsons" are pretty bullet proof, they run well, and are good pullers.

 

The 665 was first offered in 1954, it ran for a few years, and was offered in 66

as well. 

 

The first large steam engine made during the MPC era, 8206, first offered in 1972 was made using the mold of the 665.

 

Enjoy !

 

Ken

Love the passenger set.

great Dad! a 665 is on my list.

Flash, I think it's great that your Dad did that!  I know my wife and I are currently going through a phase of trying simplify our lives, part of that process is getting rid of things that we do not need.   Sometimes doing something on ones own terms makes the process easier.  Enjoy them as I'm sure you are doing.  You just got to love any of those Santa Fe's.

 

Ken