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I have a Lionel 6-38195 FT Diesel with two bad worm gears.  The motor (610-8154-100) is available but it has the wrong worm gear on it.  I know because I ordered one and it has the wrong worm gear on it !

The dimension on the gear are length-15.5 mm, diameter-5.3 mm, thread length-9.6 mm, and arbor-2.3 mm.  I could not find one on Lionel's website, but I am not always successful finding what I am looking for .  I didn't know if anyone had a source for something like this.

Maybe Pat at harmonyards ?

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Again, a search tip, what I do when I run into your situation at both Lionel and MTH, I take the part name and then search for that and then compare the resulting photos trying to find a match.

Again, from the product page for your engine you chose this part

But then I just take the part name- DC MOTOR / W/GEAR / FT DIESEL and search for that instead

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...AR%20/%20FT%20DIESEL

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@dennish posted:

This is the one I ordered and the pitch does not match.

Right, I got that in the first post and then, gave you an alternate part number with picture......

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...TOR-W-GEAR-FT-DIESEL

part 6804720100 VS 6808154100

If I combine the 2 pictures- your failed one top half, and the one linked above bottom half....

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Dennis, as I remember that loco is from the era when Lionel first switched from Pullmor to can motors.

For years going back to the 1940s, Lionel had used a triple-start worm on the big, slow-turning Pullmor motor, yielding a ratio of about 8 to 1.  To get more torque out of the smaller motors in the FTs, they substituted a two-start worm yielding a ratio of about 12 to 1.  (I think they also used this worm in the FM H-12-44 switchers.)  The problem was that on the FTs at least, the mesh wasn't exactly right.

I remember reading that service centers, or perhaps even the Lionel factory, were putting pieces of cardboard(!) between the motor mount and the truck block in an attempt to correct the mesh.  Your post is not the first about these double-start worms failing in service.  At least one other Forumite ended up replacing his motor and the truck block with a traditional triple-start worm and compatible 25-tooth worm wheel.  If you do this, the loco will run faster. But at least it will run.

If the motor recommended by Vernon proves to be a match, pay careful attention to the gear mesh for best operation and longevity.  My $.02.

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Right, I got that in the first post and then, gave you an alternate part number with picture......

https://www.lionelsupport.com/...TOR-W-GEAR-FT-DIESEL

part 6804720100 VS 6808154100

If I combine the 2 pictures- your failed one top half, and the one linked above bottom half....

I have to say, pretty clever method of matching the gears!

@ThatGuy posted:

I have a device we use in clock repair that will give correct pitch tooth count and such. It was a hand me down made by the Ansonia Clock Company. Let me do some research to see if anyone else makes or made this thing.

That would certainly be useful, but you do have to have the gear in hand to do those measurements, Vernon did them by photo.

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