I've had no issues controlling my legacy engine. Interesting
superwarp1 posted:I've had no issues controlling my legacy engine. Interesting
This seems to be a hard one to diagnose since, like you, I can run Legacy just fine from my iPad, yet others are saying they can't.
After my last post I did again find how to move engines up from the inactive list. As Barry said, one has to go to the edit screen, but you can't just hold your finger on the engine and move it up. It's necessary to hold your finger on the 3 little horizontal lines on the right, and that will highlight the line, then the engine can be slid up to the active list. Once there, the engines can be moved around to place them in the desired order (as they don't always seem to end up where one would want them).
I'm still working on the issue, but probably not today.
EscapeRocks posted:superwarp1 posted:I've had no issues controlling my legacy engine. Interesting
This seems to be a hard one to diagnose since, like you, I can run Legacy just fine from my iPad, yet others are saying they can't.
People who are having issues, please report which REV TIU, you have. Mine is Rev L, connected to the WIU with the USB cable.
I would say most do have issues with running in Legacy mode but those who don't might list what they are using for a smart device since it would be helpful to see what works best with the app.
At this point I can tell you my experience has been that the following items in the app are not functioning as intended.
1 No Legacy locomotives operate in Legacy mode only in TMCC.
2 MTH Lash-ups can be made up and operated however the page that should have the sound options is blank. Also after power down and trying to use the same Lash-up the next day the app could not see both locomotives. Checking the remote showed everything was good and can operate correctly.
3 Importing the file from the remote to the app did not work correctly and although it said I would loose what I already had loaded in the app by using the file from my remote it duplicated some of my routes and none of the locomotives showed up.
4 The routes and scenes do not work correctly no matter what I do, that means trying to enter them in the app or by importing them from the remote. The scary part is every time I try a route it changes what switches are thrown so it is completely unreliable and impossible to trust. The whole point in having remote switches is defeated if you need to run around the layout and check if things worked correctly each time.
Since some have reported things working correctly I've done the following to try to solve any of my issues.
I have two version L TIU's so I have tried both same exact results
I have tried the following devices, Samsung Galaxy 5, Motorola Razr, Samsung tab s2, and tonight I will try to dig up my old Motorola droid just to see what it does.
As for my train equipment, I am running a single TIU on my layout with two AIU's, an MTH Z4000 with the remote commander and of course a WIU.
First I really hope this helps others find out they are not alone, Second I would love for somebody to say hay I've found a solution to some of these issues and am running the same equipment as you. And the most important would be that the developers may find something in common as to what causes the issues by seeing what each of us are using and the results we are getting.
I am a troubleshooter in another field and hearing hey mine works from one and then mine doesn't from another doesn't help, we are all beta testers now so my guess is more information would help us get to the results we all want sooner.
George
MartyE
All is connected properly, a "Y" DB9 from TIU to Legacy Base and WIU. Upgraded to DCS 6.0. Can run Legacy locomotives with CAB 2 (in Legacy mode) and DCS Handheld (although they are in TMCC mode with the DCS handheld). All DCS locomotives work with the iPhone APP. All TMCC locomotives work with iPhone APP. Legacy locomotives work only in TMCC mode on the iPhone APP. I can move Legacy locomotives out of the inactive list, startup and shutdown buttons change color when activated, but no response from a Legacy locomotive. Locomotive ID's are correct in the APP. The TIU is an "L" version. Confirmed the Premium Upgrade was purchased and upgraded on April 19, 2017. It would be interesting to know if those that aren't having Legacy issues are for sure running in Legacy mode and not TMCC mode. Maybe I'm overlooking something.
superwarp1 posted:EscapeRocks posted:superwarp1 posted:I've had no issues controlling my legacy engine. Interesting
This seems to be a hard one to diagnose since, like you, I can run Legacy just fine from my iPad, yet others are saying they can't.
People who are having issues, please report which REV TIU, you have. Mine is Rev L, connected to the WIU with the USB cable.
Rev. L TIU with USB to WIU. Latest firmware on both. 128GB iPad with the A9 chip. Also an iPhone 6. Both with latest firmware. I have two Lionel PH180's. One each to Fixed in 1 and 2 on the TIU. TIU powered thru aux.
I can control Legacy. Also, following Barry's detailed advice here, my lashups are working.
Remember, just as DCS without WIU can't "read" Legacy or TMCC locos, neither can the APP.
I did have a couple hiccups entering my switches until I realized I didn't have them wired properly into my AIU. I was doing to much at once.
Jack Morey posted:MartyE
All is connected properly, a "Y" DB9 from TIU to Legacy Base and WIU. Upgraded to DCS 6.0. Can run Legacy locomotives with CAB 2 (in Legacy mode) and DCS Handheld (although they are in TMCC mode with the DCS handheld). All DCS locomotives work with the iPhone APP. All TMCC locomotives work with iPhone APP. Legacy locomotives work only in TMCC mode on the iPhone APP. I can move Legacy locomotives out of the inactive list, startup and shutdown buttons change color when activated, but no response from a Legacy locomotive. Locomotive ID's are correct in the APP. The TIU is an "L" version. Confirmed the Premium Upgrade was purchased and upgraded on April 19, 2017. It would be interesting to know if those that aren't having Legacy issues are for sure running in Legacy mode and not TMCC mode. Maybe I'm overlooking something.
MartyE
This "y" connection to the serial is different than what I'm using. I have the USB from the WIU going directly into the TIU's USB. Did I miss something and this is the way to get the Legacy mode working or is this another way to connect the WIU?
George
I tried again loading and running Legacy engines with both my Ipad and Galaxy S3 phone and still no joy.
I have a 50-1032 cable hooked up between my rev L TIU with 6.0 and my Legacy base.
I can run these engines in TMCC mode, but not Legacy mode. I called MTH today about this issue, waiting for them to call me back. After reading this topic, I guess I'm not alone.
I see that the 6.0 software upgrade is not showing on the MTH DCS website, maybe they are reworking it
I hope.
Thanks
For the past few hours, Marty Fitzhenry and I have worked the "can't run Legacy when using the DCS App Premium edition" issue. We conducted tests using the following hardware scenarios:
- Rev. L TIU with WIU connected via USB port
- Rev. L TIU with WIU connected via Serial port with serial Y cable
- Rev. I TIU with WIU connected via Serial port with serial Y cable.
Both TIUs were running DCS 6.0 and the WIU was at firmware 1.1. In all cases, a Lionel Legacy command base was also attached via the TIU's serial port.
In all 3 scenarios, a variety of Legacy and TMCC engines were added to the DCS App. For all of the engines added, the following was determined:
- All Legacy engines started up and ran successfully when set as "Legacy" mode
- All Legacy engines started up and ran successfully when set as "TMCC" mode
- All TMCC engines started up and ran successfully when set as "TMCC" mode
- All TMCC engines failed to start up and could not be operated at all when set as "Legacy" mode.
The conclusion is that the DCS App can operate Legacy engines in either Legacy mode or TMCC mode, and TMCC engines in TMCC mode.
This makes sense, since Legacy engines can understand both Legacy commands, from a Legacy Base or TMCC commands from a TMCC base, while TMCC engines can only understand TMCC commands from a TMCC base. The engine's setting as either Legacy or TMCC determines which type of commands are sent to the command base.
The above is completely consistent with the results obtained during beta testing of TMCC and Legacy engines.
It's also completely consistent with the DCS Remote, which controls both TMCC engines and Legacy engines as TMCC engines, using only TMCC commands.
Zephyr 1 posted:I see that the 6.0 software upgrade is not showing on the MTH DCS website, maybe they are reworking it
I hope.
Thanks
I have my adult son coming over tonight. I do this to keep him involved in the hobby. Why is the uploading features, Turned Off? and when will it be turned back on?
Gary
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Barry Broskowitz posted:For the past few hours, Marty Fitzhenry and I have worked the "can't run Legacy when using the DCS App Premium edition" issue. We conducted tests using the following hardware scenarios:
- Rev. L TIU with WIU connected via USB port
- Rev. L TIU with WIU connected via Serial port with serial Y cable
- Rev. I TIU with WIU connected via Serial port with serial Y cable.
Both TIUs were running DCS 6.0 and the WIU was at firmware 1.1. In all cases, a Lionel Legacy command base was also attached via the TIU's serial port.
In all 3 scenarios, a variety of Legacy and TMCC engines were added to the DCS App. For all of the engines added, the following was determined:
- All Legacy engines started up and ran successfully when set as "Legacy" mode
- All Legacy engines started up and ran successfully when set as "TMCC" mode
- All TMCC engines started up and ran successfully when set as "TMCC" mode
- All TMCC engines failed to start up and could not be operated at all when set as "Legacy" mode.
The conclusion is that the DCS App can operate Legacy engines in either Legacy mode or TMCC mode, and TMCC engines in TMCC mode.
This makes sense, since Legacy engines can understand both Legacy commands, from a Legacy Base or TMCC commands from a TMCC base, while TMCC engines can only understand TMCC commands from a TMCC base. The engine's setting as either Legacy or TMCC determines which type of commands are sent to the command base.
The above is completely consistent with the results obtained during beta testing of TMCC and Legacy engines.
It's also completely consistent with the DCS Remote, which controls both TMCC engines and Legacy engines as TMCC engines, using only TMCC commands.
Glad to read that it can be done. Couple of questions, what type of smart device were you running the app on and a new thought is were you connecting the smart device through the WIU WiFI direct or was the WIU communicating through your homes router and then your is connected to your homes network through the same router?
George
trainroomgary posted:Zephyr 1 posted:I see that the 6.0 software upgrade is not showing on the MTH DCS website, maybe they are reworking it
I hope.
Thanks
I have my adult son coming over tonight. I do this to keep him involved in the hobby. Why is the uploading features, Turned Off? and when will it be turned back on?
Gary
The DCS Firmware for 6.00 is still available, Click the link below for a direct download:
H1000
The devices that were used successfully include iPhone 7, iPhone 6, iPad Mini 2, and iPad Mini 4.
We've operated both in Normal and Super TIU modes. WiFi connections were both in MTH and Home modes.
Barry,
Do you know if their were any beta testers for the droid version of the app? Up until now I have heard a lot from beta testers that used Apple devices but nothing from Android camp.
Thanks!
H1000
Do you know if their were any beta testers for the droid version of the app? Up until now I have heard a lot from beta testers that used Apple devices but nothing from Android camp.
Yes, there were.
H1000 posted:The DCS Firmware for 6.00 is still available, Click the link below for a direct download:
H1000
Hi H1000
I tried this link: DCS 6.00 download / No go, just stops. Locks up........
I have my adult son coming over tonight. I do this to keep him involved in the hobby. Why is the uploading features, Turned Off? and when will it be turned back on?
Gary
Gary
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Thanks again Barry for your efforts on this issue.
While still trying to troubleshoot my Legacy problem this is what I have found so far.
I own 4 Legacy diesels a WP GP9, a WP GP30, A NP GP7 and a SP GP30.
I tried to program all of them, and only the oldest one, the WP GP9 actually worked as a Legacy engine in the app, but not the other 3.
Any other thoughts? Does the version of Legacy base software matter?
I'm using 1.53 on my Legacy system.
Thanks again
Tom
Barry Broskowitz posted:Do you know if their were any beta testers for the droid version of the app? Up until now I have heard a lot from beta testers that used Apple devices but nothing from Android camp.
Yes, there were.
Barry,
I would hope that a few of these testers could identify themselves. I feel that you are getting hammered with questions that you want to help with but can't because you not equipped with an Android device to test the problems shared here.
I think the Apple version is rock solid and functions well based on your beta testing and experience. The Android version does have some flaws that need to be looked into for more troubleshooting and problem resolution.
Anyway, THANKS FOR YOUR (and MARTYF) HELP AND CONTINUING CONTRIBUTIONS THIS WEEK!!! MTH really owes you one!
H1000
trainroomgary posted:H1000 posted:The DCS Firmware for 6.00 is still available, Click the link below for a direct download:
H1000
Hi H1000
I tried this link: DCS 6.00 download / No go, just stops. Locks up........
I have my adult son coming over tonight. I do this to keep him involved in the hobby. Why is the uploading features, Turned Off? and when will it be turned back on?
Gary
Gary
So I tested this link on three different computers, with Safari, Chrome, and Internet Explorer. It opened every time for me.
H1000
Edit, and the video of Firefox opening the link:
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Barry and Marty,
Thanks for your detailed investigation into the "Legacy issue" some of us are having. It leads me to believe some of us must have a setting wrong somewhere? Here's my info with a little more details:
- iPhone 5s iOS 10.3.1
- iPad Air 2 64GB iOS 10.3.1
- Rev. I TIU with WIU connected via Serial port with serial Y cable
- TIU = V6.0
- WIU = V1.1
- Cab2 = V1.6
TIU settings:
- Supermode - off
- Variable 1 DCS Signaling = on
- Variable 2 DCS Signaling = on
- Fixed 1 DCS Signaling = on
- Fixed 2 DCS Signaling = on
- AC Frequency input = 60Hz
To better explain the issue, I can load an engine as a Legacy engine and it is accepted. When I try to use the engine all Legacy features will appear but absolutely nothing will work.
trainroomgary posted:H1000 posted:The DCS Firmware for 6.00 is still available, Click the link below for a direct download:
H1000
Hi H1000
I tried this link: DCS 6.00 download / No go, just stops. Locks up........
I have my adult son coming over tonight. I do this to keep him involved in the hobby. Why is the uploading features, Turned Off? and when will it be turned back on?
Gary
Gary
Gary, try right clicking "Download Now" and choose to open under a new tab.
Zephyr 1 posted:Thanks again Barry for your efforts on this issue.
While still trying to troubleshoot my Legacy problem this is what I have found so far.
I own 4 Legacy diesels a WP GP9, a WP GP30, A NP GP7 and a SP GP30.
I tried to program all of them, and only the oldest one, the WP GP9 actually worked as a Legacy engine in the app, but not the other 3.
Any other thoughts? Does the version of Legacy base software matter?
I'm using 1.53 on my Legacy system.
Thanks again
Tom
To add to my above statements the WP GP9 Legacy engine only works with my Ipad but not my Galaxy phone app. Strange?
Barry Broskowitz posted:For the past few hours, Marty Fitzhenry and I have worked the "can't run Legacy when using the DCS App Premium edition" issue. We conducted tests using the following hardware scenarios:
All Legacy engines started up and ran successfully when set as "Legacy" mode
- All Legacy engines started up and ran successfully when set as "TMCC" mode
- All TMCC engines started up and ran successfully when set as "TMCC" mode
- All TMCC engines failed to start up and could not be operated at all when set as "Legacy" mode.
The above edited for brevity. This is exactly my finding with my previously detailed iPad and iPhone. All works well for me
Huge thanks to Barry and Marty F for the detailed testing and help here.
Just thought, perhaps we need to start two different topics on this.. one for Android trouble shooting, and one for iOS trouble shooting, as it appears the issues are different for each platform.
H1000 posted:trainroomgary posted:H1000 posted:The DCS Firmware for 6.00 is still available, Click the link below for a direct download:
H1000
Hi H1000
I tried this link: DCS 6.00 download / No go, just stops. Locks up........
I have my adult son coming over tonight. I do this to keep him involved in the hobby. Why is the uploading features, Turned Off? and when will it be turned back on?
Gary
Gary
So I tested this link on three different computers, with Safari, Chrome, and Internet Explorer. It opened every time for me.
H1000
Edit, and the video of Firefox opening the link:
Same results here. I just tried it on both Mac and PC. Firefox on both. I can get to the download link H1000 provided.
EscapeRocks posted:Barry Broskowitz posted:For the past few hours, Marty Fitzhenry and I have worked the "can't run Legacy when using the DCS App Premium edition" issue. We conducted tests using the following hardware scenarios:
All Legacy engines started up and ran successfully when set as "Legacy" mode
- All Legacy engines started up and ran successfully when set as "TMCC" mode
- All TMCC engines started up and ran successfully when set as "TMCC" mode
- All TMCC engines failed to start up and could not be operated at all when set as "Legacy" mode.
The above edited for brevity. This is exactly my finding with my previously detailed iPad and iPhone. All works well for me
Huge thanks to Barry and Marty F for the detailed testing and help here.
Just thought, perhaps we need to start two different topics on this.. one for Android trouble shooting, and one for iOS trouble shooting, as it appears the issues are different for each platform.
This particular issue has been reported on both platforms.
MTH has posted you need the SER2 and a LCS power supply if you don't already have one to operate Legacy engines in Legacy mode.
MartyE posted:MTH has posted you need the SER2 and a LCS power supply if you don't already have one to operate Legacy engines in Legacy mode.
Well I don't have either of those. Guess I'm going shopping.
Thanks Marty
The good news is they are the least expensive of the LCS modules.
I am predicting a uptick in demand of SER2s and power supplies.
More money to spend for stuff I thought I didn't need with this Premium app, Really?
MartyE posted:MTH has posted you need the SER2 and a LCS power supply if you don't already have one to operate Legacy engines in Legacy mode.
Ahhhh that would be why my iOS is working with Legacy. I have those on my layout.
Zephyr 1 posted:
I see that the 6.0 software upgrade is not showing on the MTH DCS website, maybe they are reworking it
I hope.
Thanks
I also hope. Still off.
When will it be turned back on? Need an answer from MTH or their representative.
Thank-you: Gary
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as one who is unfamiliar with Legacy, how is the SER2 used? What is it's purpose? the Description on the Lionel site was pretty sparse.
Thanks
Jonathan
enginEErjon posted:as one who is unfamiliar with Legacy, how is the SER2 used? What is it's purpose? the Description on the Lionel site was pretty sparse.
Thanks
Jonathan
It basically carries out the serial port when the LCS components are used. Not 100% sure why it makes the DCS interface work for Legacy but it is connected on the PID buss so that doesn't surprise me that it opening the Legacy commands.
trainroomgary posted:Zephyr 1 posted:
I see that the 6.0 software upgrade is not showing on the MTH DCS website, maybe they are reworking it
I hope.
Thanks
I also hope. Still off.
When will it be turned back on? Need an answer from MTH or their representative.
Thank-you: Gary
Gary, I just tried again, going thru MTH and it worked. Here are succesive screenshots:
Went to mth train, clicked on the DCS app, then clicked on the 6.00 upgrade which brought me to the form. Filled out the form, and it led me to the download link, which led me to the download. Using Macbook pro Firefox to donwload
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MartyE posted:The good news is they are the least expensive of the LCS modules.
I am predicting a uptick in demand of SER2s and power supplies.
Guess that's why I can run legacy with no issues as I had to buy a ser2 to get all my tmcc and Zstuff data wire driver to work well together
Version 6.0 Done
Thank-you: Dave
Gary
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Here's a link to the SER2 manual, on page 13 there's a photo of the connection between TIU and SER2.
https://www.lionelsupport.com/...50SER2UsersGuide.pdf
So far it looks like the Apple app works (mostly) but the Android app has issues. Barry and MartyE are limited in answering questions concerning the Android issues because they only have Apple products. When can we get a MTH Android programmer on here to help us Android users?
trainroomgary posted:Version 6.0 Done
Thank-you: Dave
Gary
You're welcome!!
