MTH-Premier West Virginia Paper & Pulp Shay Steam Engine 20-3023-2 2-Rail

That would have had QSI or early protosounds 1.0

If you visit the MTH website, you can do a product search, and it will tell you most of what you need to know about this model from 1997.

Lehigh Valley Railroad posted:

That would have had QSI or early protosounds 1.0

Thanks Chris,

Does that confirm or refute the assertion?  I don't speak the nomenclature.

Hot Water posted:

If you visit the MTH website, you can do a product search, and it will tell you most of what you need to know about this model from 1997.

Thanks, doing that now.

bellymoondrop posted:

Hot Water posted:

If you visit the MTH website, you can do a product search, and it will tell you most of what you need to know about this model from 1997.

Thanks, doing that now.

So, I got this info from MTH, but that doesn't tell me who made the electronics:

Cab No. 12 Features: Constant Voltage & Directional Lighting, Flywheel Can Motor w/Ball Bearing Drive Train, Fire Box Glow, lighted Cab Interior w/Figure

 

"Keep in mine that this engine does not have any of the MTH electronic which is where the value is."

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Hilarious; 1st thing I've always done with the few MTH engines that I've had is to rip out the electronics,

Given the fact that the box says it's "compatible with any DC power Supply", I'd guess it has none of the "advanced" electronics...just a guess.

Probably a hell of an engine... 

Mark in Oregon

Does not have any sound board. Has a very basic control board for running (motor control) and lights only. 

Suzanne,

The info you quoted from MTH was not complete.  Here is the full "picture."

"Cab No. 12 Features: Constant Voltage & Directional Lighting, Flywheel Can Motor w/Ball Bearing Drive Train, Fire Box Glow, lighted Cab Interior w/Figure, 3 Rail Models Have Enhanced Proto Sounds-Smoke-Coupler A Premier Model."

Over the years, MTH has produced engines that operate conventionally (by way of a transformer with something to move to change train speed or direction) and that operate with command control (transformer applies set voltage to track and handheld remote allows user to change a lot of engine characteristics).  To my knowledge, MTH no longer makes engines that only run conventionally, but the newer ones are dual option capable.

It appears from your box end that said 2-rail engine is only able to run conventionally.  For some model railroaders, that is a plus, for others, that is a negative.

Good luck with your continuing sales efforts.

Chuck

mwb posted:

 

"Keep in mine that this engine does not have any of the MTH electronic which is where the value is."

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Hilarious; 1st thing I've always done with the few MTH engines that I've had is to rip out the electronics,

Do that with any recent MTH engines? want to sell me the stuff inside? (brand new only.)

PRR1950 posted:

Suzanne,

The info you quoted from MTH was not complete.  Here is the full "picture."

"Cab No. 12 Features: Constant Voltage & Directional Lighting, Flywheel Can Motor w/Ball Bearing Drive Train, Fire Box Glow, lighted Cab Interior w/Figure, 3 Rail Models Have Enhanced Proto Sounds-Smoke-Coupler A Premier Model."

Over the years, MTH has produced engines that operate conventionally (by way of a transformer with something to move to change train speed or direction) and that operate with command control (transformer applies set voltage to track and handheld remote allows user to change a lot of engine characteristics).  To my knowledge, MTH no longer makes engines that only run conventionally, but the newer ones are dual option capable.

It appears from your box end that said 2-rail engine is only able to run conventionally.  For some model railroaders, that is a plus, for others, that is a negative.

Good luck with your continuing sales efforts.

Chuck

Many thanks Chuck!

PRR1950 posted:

Suzanne,

The info you quoted from MTH was not complete.  Here is the full "picture."

"Cab No. 12 Features: Constant Voltage & Directional Lighting, Flywheel Can Motor w/Ball Bearing Drive Train, Fire Box Glow, lighted Cab Interior w/Figure, 3 Rail Models Have Enhanced Proto Sounds-Smoke-Coupler A Premier Model."

Over the years, MTH has produced engines that operate conventionally (by way of a transformer with something to move to change train speed or direction) and that operate with command control (transformer applies set voltage to track and handheld remote allows user to change a lot of engine characteristics).  To my knowledge, MTH no longer makes engines that only run conventionally, but the newer ones are dual option capable.

It appears from your box end that said 2-rail engine is only able to run conventionally.  For some model railroaders, that is a plus, for others, that is a negative.

Good luck with your continuing sales efforts.

Chuck

...there you go... 

Mark in Oregon

It says that, implicitly.  The value in this one is that it is 2-rail.  Two-railers do not value the electronics that so pleases the 3-rail crowd.

PRR1950 posted:

Suzanne,

The info you quoted from MTH was not complete.  Here is the full "picture."

"Cab No. 12 Features: Constant Voltage & Directional Lighting, Flywheel Can Motor w/Ball Bearing Drive Train, Fire Box Glow, lighted Cab Interior w/Figure, 3 Rail Models Have Enhanced Proto Sounds-Smoke-Coupler A Premier Model."

Over the years, MTH has produced engines that operate conventionally (by way of a transformer with something to move to change train speed or direction) and that operate with command control (transformer applies set voltage to track and handheld remote allows user to change a lot of engine characteristics).  To my knowledge, MTH no longer makes engines that only run conventionally, but the newer ones are dual option capable.

It appears from your box end that said 2-rail engine is only able to run conventionally.  For some model railroaders, that is a plus, for others, that is a negative.

Good luck with your continuing sales efforts.

Chuck

Hey Chuck,

Just curious what the points mean on each persons profile?

I think points are just an indication of how often someone participates here.  I don't know how many anybody has, including myself, because most of us really don't care.

Chuck

Suzanne, this is most probably from the late 90s when MTH first, briefly made 2-rail locos.  I imported some into the UK.  I think it's 'conventional' 2-rail as Chuck says and the smoke, lights, etc are all possible with regular DC.  I think the list was about $1000?  Prototype is the largest Shay ever built.  

Jason

Jason Dickie posted:

Suzanne, this is most probably from the late 90s when MTH first, briefly made 2-rail locos.  I imported some into the UK.  I think it's 'conventional' 2-rail as Chuck says and the smoke, lights, etc are all possible with regular DC.  I think the list was about $1000?  Prototype is the largest Shay ever built.  

Jason

Hi Jason,

Yes, list price was $1095. I think the person sending the message was hoping for a big price reduction. Thanks!

What Bob said!  If the buyer wants electronics they can be added.  It's a 2R DC model.  Some folks think it's a plus, others don't.  If they don't want it, then they shoudn't buy it.  If adding electronics scares them, they shouldn't buy it.

Bottom line, the guy wasn't going to buy it anyway.  If ya gotta lose some sleep, please don't let it be from this one.

Jay

I have to say Suzanne, you certainly came to the right place for advice; these fellows are awesome! 

Mark in Oregon

bellymoondrop posted:

Jason Dickie posted:

Suzanne, this is most probably from the late 90s when MTH first, briefly made 2-rail locos.  I imported some into the UK.  I think it's 'conventional' 2-rail as Chuck says and the smoke, lights, etc are all possible with regular DC.  I think the list was about $1000?  Prototype is the largest Shay ever built.  

Jason

Hi Jason,

Yes, list price was $1095. I think the person sending the message was hoping for a big price reduction. Thanks!

Although you can easily look up the list price, you won't find what it sold for as easily. Even then, it won't tell what it's worth right now.

Just this week, a NY dealer sold a whole list of 2 rail MTH engines made around the last ten years. They didn't bring in nearly what they were worth. If I had the cash, I would have grabbed them all!

Strummer posted:

I have to say Suzanne, you certainly came to the right place for advice; these fellows are awesome! 

Mark in Oregon

Mark,

I couldn't agree more! These gentlemen have been huge lifesavers for me! 

a new one has PS3 electronics featuring onboard DCC, chuffing smoke, sounds, etc. Yours made 17 years earlier then the later example below, does not have that. You can't go by the list price in this particular case. Although some are blasting the person who sent the message, he is telling you info correctly.

yours: https://mthtrains.com/20-3023-2

list $1095

Engineer-Joe posted:

a new one has PS3 electronics featuring onboard DCC, chuffing smoke, sounds, etc. Yours made 17 years earlier, does not have that. You can't go by the list price in this particular case. Although some are blasting the person who sent the message, he is telling you info correctly.

yours: https://mthtrains.com/20-3023-2

list $1095

Delivered MAR. 1997

a recent example: https://mthtrains.com/20-3495-2

List 1149.95

Delivered May 2014

 

Hi Joe,

I didn't notice anyone blasting the potential buyer, but yes this is a vintage 2-rail item. I'm sure it will find its way to the right home, someone out there wants this exact item, seems to work out that way! 

Thanks for weighing in!

Suzanne

Straight 2-rail means, er ... as you turn the knob it goes faster!  OK, the lights, etc come on too.  If it's got MTH PS3 in it the first 5-7 volts will be grabbed by the DCC compatible bits and sound.  If your DC controller is a 12vDC maximum output voltage type, then 12vDC is all you can get and it may not go too fast!  

Jason

Jason Dickie posted:

Straight 2-rail means, er ... as you turn the knob it goes faster!  OK, the lights, etc come on too.  If it's got MTH PS3 in it the first 5-7 volts will be grabbed by the DCC compatible bits and sound.  If your DC controller is a 12vDC maximum output voltage type, then 12vDC is all you can get and it may not go too fast!  

Jason

If you're running DC in O scale, I hope you can supply more than 12 volts to the rails. 

Let's not confuse things here.  I think Suzanne's original questions have been answered.

Safe to say (assume) that whoever coughs up enough $$ for this will know what they're getting, and what kind of power is needed.

Mark in Oregon