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Hi Folks,

 

I took my two MTH engines to the club today.  Both are equipped with BCRs.  I put them on the track and let the BCRs fully charge.

 

The yard tracks have toggle switches that allow the power to the center rail to be toggled on and off.  I turned off the power using the toggle switch and then turned it back on.  Neither PS-1 engine would cycle from neutral to run.  Lionel and Williams conventional engines always start to run when I toggle the power off and on this way.

 

I went to the MTH Z-4000 and pushed the direction button.  The voltage reading goes to zero and upon release it goes back to its setting.  This appears to me to be the same as toggling the power on and off using the yard toggle switch.

 

Both PS-1 engines ran normally when I used the Z-4000 direction button but I couldn't get either to start or reverse by toggling the track power using the toggle switch.

 

Is this normal for MTH PS-1 engines?

 

Joe

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Originally Posted by Joe Barker:

Hi Folks,

 

I took my two MTH engines to the club today.  Both are equipped with BCRs.  I put them on the track and let the BCRs fully charge.

 

The yard tracks have toggle switches that allow the power to the center rail to be toggled on and off.  I turned off the power using the toggle switch and then turned it back on.  Neither PS-1 engine would cycle from neutral to run.  Lionel and Williams conventional engines always start to run when I toggle the power off and on this way.

 

I went to the MTH Z-4000 and pushed the direction button.  The voltage reading goes to zero and upon release it goes back to its setting.  This appears to me to be the same as toggling the power on and off using the yard toggle switch.

 

Both PS-1 engines ran normally when I used the Z-4000 direction button but I couldn't get either to start or reverse by toggling the track power using the toggle switch.

 

Is this normal for MTH PS-1 engines?

 

Joe

It may be. Since they use a battery, or in your case a BCR to keep from loosing the sound from a minor power interruption. In the case of your toggle it only cuts the power to center rail. It's AC, so current to the outer rail is actually hot too. The reversing switch may actually cutting power to both the center and outer rail. Conventional engines (without battery backup) need only to see an interruption in power. Now I might be wrong, and if so I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

Originally Posted by Dlo Traf:
Originally Posted by Joe Barker:

Hi Folks,

 

I took my two MTH engines to the club today.  Both are equipped with BCRs.  I put them on the track and let the BCRs fully charge.

 

The yard tracks have toggle switches that allow the power to the center rail to be toggled on and off.  I turned off the power using the toggle switch and then turned it back on.  Neither PS-1 engine would cycle from neutral to run.  Lionel and Williams conventional engines always start to run when I toggle the power off and on this way.

 

I went to the MTH Z-4000 and pushed the direction button.  The voltage reading goes to zero and upon release it goes back to its setting.  This appears to me to be the same as toggling the power on and off using the yard toggle switch.

 

Both PS-1 engines ran normally when I used the Z-4000 direction button but I couldn't get either to start or reverse by toggling the track power using the toggle switch.

 

Is this normal for MTH PS-1 engines?

 

Joe

It may be. Since they use a battery, or in your case a BCR to keep from loosing the sound from a minor power interruption. In the case of your toggle it only cuts the power to center rail. It's AC, so current to the outer rail is actually hot too. The reversing switch may actually cutting power to both the center and outer rail. Conventional engines (without battery backup) need only to see an interruption in power. Now I might be wrong, and if so I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

Doesn't work that way.  If center rail is cut there is no continuous source so the reverse unit should sequence. 

I toggle my PS-1 engine out of yards all the time.  You need to remember to let it start up, voltage needs to be less than 10V, and of course you can't have the engine across the insulated section otherwise the toggle doesn't kill power.

 

Any of the above could have prevented your engine from responding.  G

Hi Folks,  

 

I want to thank everyone for your replies.  I think that the problem was that the voltage was too high on the track.  I didn't know that I needed less than 10 volts on the rails for PS-1 engines to come out of reset.

 

I normally have about 17 volts when I am operating the layout in conventional mode.  This works very well with Lionel and Williams engines.  In fact, most Lionel and Williams engines will not start without at least 15 volts on our club layout.

 

The reason we use the toggle switches on the club layout is that the Z-4000 transformer is about 25 feet from the yard and the toggle switches.  

 

I will try it tomorrow and see what happens.  

 

Joe

Originally Posted by Joe Barker:

Hi Folks,  

 

I want to thank everyone for your replies.  I think that the problem was that the voltage was too high on the track.  I didn't know that I needed less than 10 volts on the rails for PS-1 engines to come out of reset.

 

I normally have about 17 volts when I am operating the layout in conventional mode.  This works very well with Lionel and Williams engines.  In fact, most Lionel and Williams engines will not start without at least 15 volts on our club layout.

 

The reason we use the toggle switches on the club layout is that the Z-4000 transformer is about 25 feet from the yard and the toggle switches.  

 

I will try it tomorrow and see what happens.  

 

Joe

The voltmeter must be off, or you have some serious voltage loss on the layout.  My PS-1 Premier steamer will pull passenger cars at 8-10 VAC at reasonable speed.  At 15VAC I don't think it would stay on the track.  I would think Williams would respond the same, unless the motors were wired in series.  G

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