My Lionel NYC Wish List

Skip, Closing the gap is not too hard. Measure yours and compare to this.

Find the separate sale PT Tender and get a huge sound upgrade with its 4 speakers.

Personally I would rather have them make something new like a K5 or H10b than just reissue the same engine with minor upgrades.

Pete

A Pacific locomotive.  (With a 6 wheel tender) Corrected - 12 wheel tender .  

rrgeorge posted:

A Pacific locomotive.

Same here!

 With a 6 wheel tender.  

What?????       That configuration sure wouldn't hold much coal & water.

New York Central 8-Door 86' Hi-Cube boxcar.

Andrew

So far, as far as locomotives are concerned, Lionel has been giving us great NYC product. The newest Empire State Hudsons were terrific, and hope to see more.

I agree, and many others like RickO, that seeing a Legacy unstreamlined J3A would be great, including versions with the PT tender. Yes, even this one with elephant ears.

Lionel has also left the L3A Mohawk and Dreyfuss Hudsons undone for too long, and both are in dire need of Legacy upgrades.

Great list, Skip!

Peter

The NYC PT tender looks like it had the same "wheel arrangement" as UP 844, 3985, and 4014's tenders.  Central's scooped water, UP's did not.  Was there an advantage to this sort of wheel arrangement?

NYC items are always on the top of my list. I will say it again...

-Legacy Niagara is a must... I'd put good money down with anyone that one is catalogued within the next 2 catalogues

-NYC milk cars would make a great vision line offering with vision freight sounds and would allow Lionel to make vision line milk car sets in other road names fairly easily much like they did with the vision line PFE reefers 

- A 5 pack of PS-1 Pacemaker boxcars would be a good offering

-Dreyfuss Hudson seems like another obvious choice, ideally with matching "window correct" 21 inch passenger cars (hopefully both in the 1938 and 1940 20th century schemes... The 1940 scheme also providing Lionel with the option of painting up some early NYC E-7 beauty queens) 

- Individual 21 inch "Great Steel Fleet" passenger cars would be nice and could be used to make up many different NYC passenger trains 

- and then there is always the 1948 20th century limited which is also looking like it may be catalogued sooner than later being that Lionel has the newly tooled E-7's and has yet to do any NYC offerings... Again with correct window placement on some 21 inch passenger cars, it would be a no brainer for me 

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Legacy Dreyfus 

Legacy Niagara 

Alex 

Mikado 4501 posted:

So far, as far as locomotives are concerned, Lionel has been giving us great NYC product. The newest Empire State Hudsons were terrific, and hope to see more.

I agree, and many others like RickO, that seeing a Legacy unstreamlined J3A would be great, including versions with the PT tender. 

I put an email request in to Lionel the last 3 years for a J3a. Them they produced the ESE j3.......so close. It seems they do take note of emails regarding product suggestions.

I grabbed the ESE hudson for fear we may not see an unstreamlined version. I do like the ESE but I'd sell it and grab a new unstreamlined J3 in a heartbeat.

I have to say I strongly agree with Alex and John with the Niagara. A mechanical disaster, it could benefit in a big way from a updated chassis with metal gears. Maybe the chassis of the FEF could fit the bill?

My layout would be tight for a niagara, but I'd probably have to get one anyway.

Lots of hard core Lionel fans here. I sort of get it but never understood everyone wanting them to remake the Niagara. If they did they would have remake a completely new engine from the frame up. The body has the least detail save the Williams version. The drivetrain is a disaster, not just the gear material but the fact they are undersize. Lack of torque bar puts extra stress on the motor armature. The deck apron will have to be redesigned and better material used. The current diecast one will break the first time the engine runs over uneven track.

Both the 3rd Rail and MTH Niagara preceeded the Lionel version by a few years. Both are better detailed and came with 4 chuffs. The new MTH Niagara has even better detail than the 2001 engine. Both have pretty much bullet proof drivetrains.

If they do remake it with all of the changes mentioned I think it would be a first for them.  You can always hope.

Pete

Lionmaster Hudson w/ Legacy & whistle steam.

I need an FT "B" unit.

An H-10 Mikado

I guess I should also add a reissue of the S1 and S2 electrics with legacy to my list. 

Mikado 4501 posted:

So far, as far as locomotives are concerned, Lionel has been giving us great NYC product. The newest Empire State Hudsons were terrific, and hope to see more.

I agree, and many others like RickO, that seeing a Legacy unstreamlined J3A would be great, including versions with the PT tender. Yes, even this one with elephant ears.

Lionel has also left the L3A Mohawk and Dreyfuss Hudsons undone for too long, and both are in dire need of Legacy upgrades.

Now those wind wings give that Hudson a great look!

The Selkirk front end of later Central power gives the locomotive the look that it is angry, or straining with constipation!

I'd like to see (and would order) a new Dreyfuss Hudson IF the matching 21 (or 18) inch cars were also announced. A passenger engine without a proper set of following cars is of no interest to me. 

I ran into this very issue with Sunset 3rd rail. I would have ordered at least one CNW and Illinois Central E8/E9 but there are no matching passenger cars for either of these lines announced. I did talk to Scott about this and while he did not dismiss the issue, there also has not been any announcement that there would be cars to go along with the engines.

Charlie

Norton posted:

Skip, Closing the gap is not too hard. Measure yours and compare to this.

Find the separate sale PT Tender and get a huge sound upgrade with its 4 speakers.

Personally I would rather have them make something new like a K5 or H10b than just reissue the same engine with minor upgrades.

 

Pete

1. That looks much better! How did you do it?

2. Is that the Century Club PT Tender or is there a later issue?

Dominic Mazoch posted:

Mikado 4501 posted:

So far, as far as locomotives are concerned, Lionel has been giving us great NYC product. The newest Empire State Hudsons were terrific, and hope to see more.

I agree, and many others like RickO, that seeing a Legacy unstreamlined J3A would be great, including versions with the PT tender. Yes, even this one with elephant ears.

Lionel has also left the L3A Mohawk and Dreyfuss Hudsons undone for too long, and both are in dire need of Legacy upgrades.

Now those wind wings give that Hudson a great look!

There is something about the look of a J3a that sets it apart from the other Hudsons. I wanted to buy the 3rd Rail J3a but I didn't like the Selkirk boiler front so I hesitated. I do have the Lionel versions and the Williams Masterpiece Series J3a but I really hope Lionel does it again in Legacy or the Vision Line.

NYC Fan posted:

Norton posted:

Skip, Closing the gap is not too hard. Measure yours and compare to this.

Find the separate sale PT Tender and get a huge sound upgrade with its 4 speakers.

Personally I would rather have them make something new like a K5 or H10b than just reissue the same engine with minor upgrades.

Pete

1. That looks much better! How did you do it?

2. Is that the Century Club PT Tender or is there a later issue?

The tender is the separate sale century club 2 pt tender designed to go with the ESE Hudson, (item # 6-38097).

I tender got the drawbar from the scale USRA 0-6-0 but since I posted that a few years ago they all got snapped up. The stock one can be shortened though. The tender drawbar is 3/8" shorter. The engine drawbar was machined but that only loses another 1/8" so 1/2" closer all together. Any shorter on the engine drawbar and you lose side to side movement.

The PT tender is the CC club one. I think the only later ones are the Legacy tenders.

Since that picture was taken the smokebox front was replaced with the one from 5433 in the 50th Anniversary set which came without the class lights, correct for the J3s.

Pete

Alex M posted:

Legacy Dreyfus 

Legacy Niagara 

Alex 

Hang on to your hats and wallet... I here the Legacy Niagara is coming soon...

nothing on the Dreyfus... so I will keep running my TMCC version with wimpy smoke.

rrgeorge posted:

A Pacific locomotive.  (With a 6 wheel tender) Corrected - 12 wheel tender .  

I hear ya George... would be nice to have one of these on the layout. In Michigan Central cab numbers please.

If they did a J3a would they put the correct headlight on it?  Would really like to see a H10 Mikado.  By the way the IHB was controlled by the NYC and there is an 0-8-0 IHB coming this fall.  Hope the headlight is in the middle of the smokebox cover and not above it.

How about a Big Four J1e numbered 6620?

John Mills posted:

  By the way the IHB was controlled by the NYC and there is an 0-8-0 IHB coming this fall.  Hope the headlight is in the middle of the smokebox cover and not above it.

Not to mention, those IHB 0-8-0s were huge, with a booster mounted on the front truck of the tender. I wonder if the model will have THAT also.

How about a L4b Mohawk?  B&A H10 Mikado,  Pacific, as mentioned above any none shrouded J3.  Wouldn't mine some NYC F units in legacy.

Of course this is my 3rdrail wish list also

J Daddy posted

Hang on to your hats and wallet... I here the Legacy Niagara is coming soon...

 

Uh oh.... not good.  I essentially have no wallet after the 4-6-0, heavy mike, and ese Hudson were offered in consecutive catalogs.

The" railroad finance" manager will not be happy.

superwarp1 posted:

How about a L4b Mohawk? 

MTH has offered the NYC L4b, including the two "special versions" with roller bearing rods. They did an EXCELLENT job on those models.

B&A H10 Mikado,  Pacific, as mentioned above any none shrouded J3.  Wouldn't mine some NYC F units in legacy.

Many have been requesting the NYC H9/H10 Mikado, as well as the big K5 Pacific, but still no manufacturer as stepped up to the plate. Some years back, Sunset/3rd Rail announced the NYC H9/H10 models, but was unable to get enough reservations/orders, thus the models were never put into production. Darned shame, as one would think that ANYTHING with NYC would sell like crazy.

Of course this is my 3rdrail wish list also

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

How about a L4b Mohawk? 

MTH has offered the NYC L4b, including the two "special versions" with roller bearing rods. They did an EXCELLENT job on those models.

 

 

 

Agreed Jack. I think these guys must bleed orange and blue. MTH also did a couple of Big 4 Hudsons as well as USRAs 0-6-0s and the 999. Then there was the A2 Berk. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Pete

Hot Water posted:

superwarp1 posted:

How about a L4b Mohawk? 

MTH has offered the NYC L4b, including the two "special versions" with roller bearing rods. They did an EXCELLENT job on those models.

B&A H10 Mikado,  Pacific, as mentioned above any none shrouded J3.  Wouldn't mine some NYC F units in legacy.

Many have been requesting the NYC H9/H10 Mikado, as well as the big K5 Pacific, but still no manufacturer as stepped up to the plate. Some years back, Sunset/3rd Rail announced the NYC H9/H10 models, but was unable to get enough reservations/orders, thus the models were never put into production. Darned shame, as one would think that ANYTHING with NYC would sell like crazy.

Of course this is my 3rdrail wish list also

 

And I own the MTH version but it's not Legacy and I'm not a fan of the sounds MTH used

OK, but a Legacy version, if done correctly, wouldn't pull any more cars, would it? Nor would the whistle and bell sound any different, would they? How about smoke?   Price????

I need a Legacy Niagara . . . . . do you hear me Mr. R?

Scrapiron

Scrapiron Scher posted:

I need a Legacy Niagara . . . . . do you hear me Mr. R?

Scrapiron

Word is on the street ... its a comin', but it ain't going to be cheap...

Yes. K5 Pacific. Yes. Where do I sign up?

H10 Mike - yes; again - where do I sign up...? I'd prefer the K-5, though.

"Late J3a" - they must do. I have Lionel's J3a (2 - I removed the fantasy front class/tender marker lights from the first issue version; patched the holes). A perfect model? No - but it somehow captures the "J3 look" so, so well. I like them a lot - but Lionel needs to produce the version that reflects the changes ("upgrades") to the J3 - Worthington FWH; power reverse under the running board; raised air reservoir and non-straight running board; PT tenders were applied to all J3a's (some were "de-applied" later for some routes). This would be new (modified) tooling and not just a case of mere "electronics modeling". And fix that tender/cab gap.

Legacy Niagara - well, a good Lionel Niagara offering is a given, a must. I have the original; a lemon (though I think the detailing is fine and I wonder about that "too small" statement above) - though the gears seem OK. So far. Funny - I also bought a (used) MTH Niagara a few years ago, and it's an electronics lemon. (ERR is on the way, I guess).

My only "good" Niagaras are the Samhongsa/Williams versions. I have one with ERR and sound - and it does everything better that the L and M versions - especially when it comes to tracking - sprung drivers, and the PT tender is more sure-footed. It needs a bit of detail (on the list), but not much - the real Niagara was almost streamstyled-looking. I'll consider a Legacy Niagara, but it may be coming too late for me. The brass ones are just fine for me - Dullcote, paint the wheels/rods, weathering, a little detail, ERR...there you go.

J Daddy posted:

Word is on the street ... its a comin', but it ain't going to be cheap...

Hopefully......since it will need a redesigned gearbox/chassis it will take  1&1/2 to 2 years to deliver after its announced..... to allow more time to aquire the funds....

On a side note, Rudy needs to take the whistle tone from the original and make it quillable.  IMO the CC Niagara has one of the best sounding whistles Lionel has ever done.

I am in for the Niagara.

Also, hudsons, but think they won't be done until new tooling made which I would guess would be a bit.

Also, like the H10,  some e units and f3's in legacy.

George I like the Pacific as well.

Good ideas with the milk cars and pacemakers to go with the ones made earllier.

RickO posted:

On a side note, Rudy needs to take the whistle tone from the original and make it quillable.  IMO the CC Niagara has one of the best sounding whistles Lionel has ever done.

I'm sure I read someplace that, when NYC conducted extensive performance & efficiency test on one of the first Niagara locomotives, it was discovered how much steam was wasted by the whistle. Reportedly, the whistles were all removed, and the Engineer was left with that horn, right in front of the cab.  

Wonder if the future Legacy model will have a horn.