just picked up a PRR beep ..was told it has a duel motor..Not,just one motor that conects to both trucks.. said the motor hums. wonder why.. took it apart and no reverse unit in it .. tried a 9 volt battery and it runs.. Is this a DC unit?
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Thats a PRE-RMT BEEP......and no DCU board means it is DC only.
RMT BEEP's are a whole different animal.....smae shell is about all.....more detail, 2 motors, DCU etc.
Thats a PRE-RMT BEEP......and no DCU board means it is DC only.
RMT BEEP's are a whole different animal.....smae shell is about all.....more detail, 2 motors, DCU etc.
who made it?
It may have been made by Williams or Kusan
Al
wonder if its worth converting it over to ac? Id only payed 20.00 for it..
I have a green Kusan one that otherwise looks identical to yours - from maybe all the way back in the 60s, with the identical body shell (absolutely identical, slips right on a modern BEEP) but a different battery powered chassis than a BEEP (I have about two dozen of those, too). Your blue BEEP is probably related to mine fro way back when. Mine uses 3 volts though ( two C-cells I think - something like that)
This has the track pickup wheels like all of our 3rd rail trains have..I do have three of those can motors..could put in a second motor? but how in the heck can you fit a reverse unit in it for small room? If I dont put a second motor I could fit a MTH bottom borad in it. Unless you got a better idea..I did some what fell in love with it.. its a cute little engine thow.
If it were me; I would buy a modern Beep or just the Chassis if you can find it. Snap the body you have on and call it a day. 
If you like you can put a bridge rectifier in it rated at 50 volts 6 amps from Radio Shack for around &7.00, you will get only one direction of travel out of it but it will run on AC voltage.
I have not seen anything like that made by Williams, pre-Bachmann for sure, but there is always that possibility as Williams made quite a few items during their time.
Lee F.
Chris Lonero has the right idea, no doubt: just buy a current BEEP - it has the full two-motor chassis, e-board, etc. Shop around and they are pretty economically priced. I've seen chassis alone for as little as $25.
Trying to modify this one into a loco as good as a new BEEP will be an expensive, frutrating, and almost certainly ultimately unsuccessful project. If it were my I'd buy a new one and keep this strange BEEP that you have. I did that with my Kusan (which is, frankly, a piece of junk) - it's not valuable but it is an teresting bit of model railroading history.
I have to agree with Lee Willis about trying to make that unit much of anything better, as costs will eat you up.
FYI, the motor kits from Bachmann/Williams are over $125.00 even with on-line specials plus shipping costs.
Lee Fritz
If it were me; I would buy a modern Beep or just the Chassis if you can find it. Snap the body you have on and call it a day.
I would go even further than that and buy an RMT Beep. A significantly superior product in just about every respect.
I would second the motion, you are much better off buying an RMT BEEP chassis or a complete BEEP. BEEPS have come in a huge variety of road names over the years and the older ones are significantly cheaper than the newer models.
This way you can have two versions of the BEEP, using the RMT chassis plus your old shell and the shell on the BEEP you buy. Not bad. BEEPS are addictive fun, many of us have several of them!.
Ed Boyle
To keep things in perspective...
The blue shelled diesel you bought is not a BEEP (looks to be a very early Williams version) and should not be confused with today's RMT BEEP diesel.
Ed Boyle and Alan miller have the best suggestion.
RMT made the BEEP chassis compatible with most earlier pre-BEEPs by Williams so it should not be a concern changing chassis.
Hope this helps.
Thanks.
Walter M. Matuch/RMT
Walter of RMT as engineer in a Jersey Central BEEP.
It may have been made by Williams or Kusan
Al
I have not seen anything like that made by Williams, pre-Bachmann for sure, but there is always that possibility as Williams made quite a few items during their time.
Lee F.
To keep things in perspective...
The blue shelled diesel you bought is not a BEEP (looks to be a very early Williams version) and should not be confused with today's RMT BEEP diesel.
Ed Boyle and Alan miller have the best suggestion.
Walter M. Matuch/RMT
Walter is right. This "Blue PRR unit "appears to be a WILLIAMS version from the Early 1980's...
Single Dc motor, NO reverse, and Crappy "vertical pressure" roller pick-ups that tend to fail over time, & flimsy plastic handrails.
You could
The RMT beep beats down that old Williams version with:
Good Luck on your choice!
I have a similar Williams Beep, blue but without handrails. It came with the original Williams box. I only paid $5 for it for it at a train show. The gears were messed up. It had a single traction tire which made for marginal electrical pickup, and the single axle drive was poor. Really cheap overall.
I picked up a couple DC motors for cheap at the same train show and made them fit the Beep, adapting gears from my junk box, and made it dual axle drive without the traction tire. Added a bridge rectifier for forward-only operation on AC. It can pull a few lightweight cars on the level.
Then I added a track cleaner pad underneath it. As a single unit, it is easy to put on the tracks for a quick run to wipe the rails while my MTH BigBoy is still meditating in neutral.
So I'm getting some utility and fun out of my cheap Beep. It would look better with handrails though.
I would second the motion, you are much better off buying an RMT BEEP chassis or a complete BEEP. BEEPS have come in a huge variety of road names over the years and the older ones are significantly cheaper than the newer models.
This way you can have two versions of the BEEP, using the RMT chassis plus your old shell and the shell on the BEEP you buy. Not bad. BEEPS are addictive fun, many of us have several of them!.
Ed Boyle
omly payed 14.52 plus 7.00 shipping on it...was thinking on getting a electronic E unit for it to convert it over to ac or was thinking to resell it and state its a pre beep DC unit..just been having a bummer week..got a williams pullmen car and its to small to my 3rd rail S1 duplex..i got my eye on a true beep..im not much in to deisels ,but thought it looked cute,can be used as a switcher..
I have a similar Williams Beep, blue but without handrails. It came with the original Williams box. I only paid $5 for it for it at a train show. The gears were messed up. It had a single traction tire which made for marginal electrical pickup, and the single axle drive was poor. Really cheap overall.
I picked up a couple DC motors for cheap at the same train show and made them fit the Beep, adapting gears from my junk box, and made it dual axle drive without the traction tire. Added a bridge rectifier for forward-only operation on AC. It can pull a few lightweight cars on the level.
Then I added a track cleaner pad underneath it. As a single unit, it is easy to put on the tracks for a quick run to wipe the rails while my MTH BigBoy is still meditating in neutral.
So I'm getting some utility and fun out of my cheap Beep. It would look better with handrails though.
wow i love that idea!!!!!i do have another motor kicking around too..would like to see how you set it up if you dont mind?
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