New Legacy ATSF 4-8-4

Not my video, but here's the Frisco version. I hope to see a video of the Blue Goose ATSF 4-8-4 soon.

WOW that is some seriously beautiful whistle steam

Nice looking engine. Whistle steam is spectacular, but failure to get the steam going from the stack is obviously a serious omission from impact of the video.

Maybe a little too much whistle steam.

Having said that, at least this model has a different whistle tone from an actual A.T.S.F. Northern.

I love how this one turned out.

One thing that is of note that a lot of people overlook is that on all the non-ATSF models except the Rock Island, the tender that will be used is the 22RA tender, the same type used on the Berks. It's not an exact match, but it's close enough, and a lot better than the 3751 Class tender.

@Peter Araujo posted:

Not my video, but here's the Frisco version. I hope to see a video of the Blue Goose ATSF 4-8-4 soon.

Looks nice. If only the engine smoked like the whistle does.

I have the previous Lionel release of this engine.  My only complaint is that the overall sound volume is lower than most of my Legacy engines.  Hopefully this was corrected.

Thanks for posting the video. I've been chomping at the bit since Lionel announced these models, desperately figuring out how I can pay for one.

I hate to be a rivet counter, or in this case a boiler counter, but this is yet another steamer model with the underside of the boiler extending downward into what should be open space and the suspension, including leaf springs. Lionel has used this un-prototypical U-shaped boiler casting on so many of its scale models. My scale Lionel Berks, Pacific, and Mountains all have this type of casting, whereas the newer releases of the Reading T1 and Milw. Rd. S-3s have rounded and prototypically correct shaped boilers.

I suppose the prototypical accurateness of the bottom of the boiler becomes a moot point when you're running trains and standing above the models such that you don't notice the underside...but from my outlook these are expensive scale models, and modeling a steam locomotive should capture the essence of the machine - of which the boiler shape and suspension are a great part of IMO.

I too was impressed to hear the old 2007 GS-4 whistle make a return!

Although, I hope they have not used this whistle on the entire run of these.  Has anyone seen if the ATSF models have the 6 chime?

Would have to respectfully disagree on there being “too much whistle smoke”...

https://youtu.be/d-QyPPL3LhU

For an oil burner, this style of smoke is prototypical. Unless the engine is running at track speed and the fireman sands the flues, an oil burner won't produce much exhaust. The whistle on the other hand will release a plume of steam every time it's blown. 

Anyways, beautiful model. Was debating getting a Santa Fe version, hoping to see photos and video of it soon.

@Maxrailroad posted:

For an oil burner, this style of smoke is prototypical. Unless the engine is running at track speed and the fireman sands the flues, an oil burner won't produce much exhaust.

Do you have a lot of experience firing oil burning steam locomotives, when Bunker C fuel was/is used?

The whistle on the other hand will release a plume of steam every time it's blown. 

If the whistle is supplied off the superheated steam manifold, there is very little visible vapor from the whistle, especially in the desert Southwest, on the Santa Fe. I n cool/cold weather, then lots of water vapor is visible from the stack and whistle.

Anyways, beautiful model. Was debating getting a Santa Fe version, hoping to see photos and video of it soon.

@Hot Water posted:

 

Can't say I have experience firing an oil fired locomotive, I'm just going off what I know from watching videos on Youtube and the information I hear in the engine house. I'll just redact my comment and say it's a pretty train. 

Here is a video of the first issue with Legacy from about 10 years back.

If you want an accurate "Blue Goose" the Premier PS3 model of 3460 has an accurate ATSF 6 chime whistle. No whistle smoke but plenty of stack smoke .

@Lou1985, hmmmm....and where did you find that impressive goose??....😁😁😁

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

@Lou1985, hmmmm....and where did you find that impressive goose??....😁😁😁

Pat

In a junk pile .

@Lou1985 posted:

In a junk pile .

🤣🤣🤣🤣.....there ain’t much else shakin on the forum, so I figured I’d rattle your cage while I have my afternoon coffee.....🙃

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

🤣🤣🤣🤣.....there ain’t much else shakin on the forum, so I figured I’d rattle your cage while I have my afternoon coffee.....🙃

Pat

It's not a lie. It was in a junk pile. You know it was .

@Lou1985.....nobody accused you of lying.....that one wasn’t IN a “junk pile” ....however,...it was in a soda flat on top of a junk pile....now, your GS....that came out of a junk pile....literally.....

Pat

We’d better get back on the thread topic....the cops are gonna get us...

yeah, yeah, Legacy ATSF 4-8-4....real nice, but the smoke is all back***wards.....☺️

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

We’d better get back on the thread topic....the cops are gonna get us...

yeah, yeah, Legacy ATSF 4-8-4....real nice, but the smoke is all back***wards.....☺️

Pat

Yes, yes true.

I'd like to hear the whistle on the latest ATSF version. The previous Lionel 3751 class Northerns (TMCC and Legacy) had an accurate whistle recorded from ATSF 3751. I would hope they kept that whistle.

As a side note from what I remember reading 3751 has a whistle from a 2900 class Northern. 3751 runs 230 psi boiler pressure, so the whistle sounds different than the same whistle on 2926 in the recordings I've heard, because 2926 has 300 psi boiler pressure. 

@Lou1985 posted:

Yes, yes true.

I'd like to hear the whistle on the latest ATSF version. The previous Lionel 3751 class Northerns (TMCC and Legacy) had an accurate whistle recorded from ATSF 3751. I would hope they kept that whistle.

As a side note from what I remember reading 3751 has a whistle from a 2900 class Northern. 3751 runs 230 psi boiler pressure, so the whistle sounds different than the same whistle on 2926 in the recordings I've heard, because 2926 has 300 psi boiler pressure. 

So what you’re saying is, they got it right, and the whistle steam should look like the top blew off and the engineer is just exhausting straight  out the plumbing?.......then heck, they nailed it.....🙄

Pat

@Lou1985 posted:

Yes, yes true.

I'd like to hear the whistle on the latest ATSF version. The previous Lionel 3751 class Northerns (TMCC and Legacy) had an accurate whistle recorded from ATSF 3751. I would hope they kept that whistle.

As a side note from what I remember reading 3751 has a whistle from a 2900 class Northern. 3751 runs 230 psi boiler pressure, so the whistle sounds different than the same whistle on 2926 in the recordings I've heard,

It's my understanding that all the big Santa Fe 6 chime whistles were all the same, no matter what locomotive they were mounted on. Also, the sound could vary between one whistle and another, depending on how worn (steam cut) each one was. Then there is the steam supply to the whistle, i.e. either saturated or superheated.

because 2926 has 300 psi boiler pressure. 

For what it's worth, #2926 can not go to full 300 psi boiler pressure, as they installed flue tubes incorrectly specified for a 300 psi MWP boiler. Thus she is limited by the FRA Form 4 to about 275 or 280 psi.

Now, if you want to hear a Santa Fe 6 chime whistle, blown at 300 psi, listen to the recordings done by the late Brad S. Miller, of Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs, of American Freedom Train #4449 (back in the mid to late 1970s). The Fireman's side "guest whistle" was a Santa Fe 6 chime.

@Hot Water the sound of the whistle is more affected by how worn it is vs. pressure? I know both 3751 and 2926 feed the whistle with superheated steam but the whistle on 2926 has a higher pitch. I was chalking that up to higher boiler pressure.

3751: 

2626: 

I didn't know that 2926 was limited to 280 psi boiler pressure. Kinda sad that 2926 won't make its full rated horsepower.  

@Lou1985 posted:

@Hot Water the sound of the whistle is more affected by how worn it is vs. pressure? I know both 3751 and 2926 feed the whistle with superheated steam but the whistle on 2926 has a higher pitch. I was chalking that up to higher boiler pressure.

Not necessarily. 

I didn't know that 2926 was limited to 280 psi boiler pressure. Kinda sad that 2926 won't make its full rated horsepower.  

I doubt that it will really matter as they don't really have a railroad line able to handle her at-speed horsepower anyway. Then there is also the question of what passenger cars she would/could pull too. 

Honestly, while I love a good rivet counting, I'm less concerned with what boiler pressure the whistle was blown at and more with whether it's an actual ATSF-like 6 chime whistle, the same as or similar to the one on the 2012 release.  If anyone can confirm, I stand ready with my finger on the trigger...

I'd guess it would have the whistle from the 2012 release. The DRG from this latest run has it.

@Trainlover9943 posted:

I'd guess it would have the whistle from the 2012 release. The DRG from this latest run has it.

Does it?  Whew that's good news!  Did you see it in person or a video of it somewhere?

@Catonsville Central Railway posted:

Does it?  Whew that's good news!  Did you see it in person or a video of it somewhere?

Yes it does. Video

Nice, thanks!  Going to go out on a limb and assume Lionel put the six chime in the ATSF units, too.  Putting my order in and I'll post up a video as soon as it comes in!

@Catonsville Central Railway posted:

Nice, thanks!  Going to go out on a limb and assume Lionel put the six chime in the ATSF units, too.  Putting my order in and I'll post up a video as soon as it comes in!

Sweet!