First, I could kick myself for not getting the cab 2 sooner, really love it.
Problem 1: recharging gets so hot you cannot touch the batteries. I have stoped recharging and am sending back for repair.
2: feedback does not work at all. Ill have them them fix that too.
3: Here is what worries me the most, when the back lit screen comes on I get a very loud whine like a screach, goes away when back lit screen goes out. is this
normal on all hand helds?
I have v 1.4
Thanks
Tom Cat
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1) There has always been a whine with the screen on, some hear it more than others, screech could be a problem
2) Feedback is so-so are you sure its on?
3) Heat is a problem, have you tried a different set of batteries?
If you even have the slightest feel of feed back, it will get better in the future...I promise. The best way to tell it's working is using the brake/ boost button for braking. You'll feel it there the most for now.
As Chris said there is a whine similar to the Miller Engineering Signs.
Hot batteries not good but since I do not use the charger I can't tell you how hot it should get.
Contact Lionel and let them advise you.
And CAB2 dose rock.
Thanks guys
Yep the batteries got so hot they made the screen get streaks up and down it untill it cooled then returned to normal. 1st and only recharge I did. I think I can live with the whine. Not even a little feed back. As stated in Lionel videos it should vibrate when turned on. Also set at M momentum as video as this is default. Nothing with brake boost or train brake.
I know Lionel will take good care of me so off it goes tomorrow.
My son also now wants one, It looks like a trip to train store this weekend!
Tom Cat
41miles
I had one cab2 lose the center row of button pads. So I am down to one cab2. Lionel has it and will fix the 3 year old cab2 under warranty.
So, I ordered another one and now I'll have a backup base too.
I guess I really like Legacy...
If you have the #993 charging base that comes with the Legacy expansion, that doesn't get the batteries or CAB2 hot during recharge. Now that I have both of them fixed, I use the #993 to recharge both CAB2 units.
1) There has always been a whine with the screen on, some hear it more than others, screech could be a problem
2) Feedback is so-so are you sure its on?
3) Heat is a problem, have you tried a different set of batteries?
Update: just got the unit back from lionel, total of 6 days from me shipping to recieving it today... WOW. 1 replaced parts and board in base, 2 gave me a new hand held. ver 1.3. I dont mind as soon as they get upgrade chips im sure ill receive them.
After using cab 1 all week i did not realize how far better cab 2 is. I could not be happier with the product and the fine support that i got
yes martyE cab2 does rock
Tom Cat
41miles
I dont mind as soon as they get upgrade chips im sure ill receive them.
Tom Cat
41miles
what do you mean by that statement? there will not be upgrade chips. there will be software updates via the black modules, order yours soon.
So he sent in a 1.4 and got back a 1.3
There are 1.4 chips of course...they come with every new 990 Legacy set. I think I would ask them for my chips if they didn't send them along with my repaired set.
I still say it is a software change and not a chip change. the only time the chip was changed was when they went to 1.2 from 1.1.
I still say it is a software change and not a chip change. the only time the chip was changed was when they went to 1.2 from 1.1.
No argument here, I was just saying that he got two chips with his new 990 which had 1.4 on them, and he should still have them and gotten them back with the repair/replace.
ALSO...has anyone had some minor difficulty turning off the remote with 1.4 installed on the latest remote? Don't know if it is the remote or the software...
I still say it is a software change and not a chip change. the only time the chip was changed was when they went to 1.2 from 1.1.
No argument here, I was just saying that he got two chips with his new 990 which had 1.4 on them, and he should still have them and gotten them back with the repair/replace.
ALSO...has anyone had some minor difficulty turning off the remote with 1.4 installed on the latest remote? Don't know if it is the remote or the software...
Have you just tried holding the button until it goes off?
Yes. It usually takes about one second and holding it down for 5 or more seemed not to be recognized...but then sometimes it works. I read somewhere that Lionel service told someone to loosen a couple screws on the back of the controller...but I don't remember if it was this button or another that was in question.
Sounds like the button may be defective. If so, that's probably another trip back to Lionel.
I sent mine back for an upgrade and they messed up the charging circuit didn't work at all when I got it back but The nice lady said no problem she sent a shipping label and had UPS pick it up and now it works fine although I only turn it on long enough to charge the batteries and turn it off.
I also have a little EverReady quick charger that I can charge spares in without using the handset charger.
As Mike explained it to me over the phone the hand set has a thermal sensor in it.When the heat builds up from charging the sensor senses the heat level and turns off the charging circuit to let the batteries cool so you don't cook your batteries or your hand held LOL
There are alot of these sensors that are bad from the factory so you need to send it back . You can still use it till you send it back just put regular double A batteries in it and turn off the charging circuit(Switch is on the bottom of the base)
You have to send it back tell em about the other problems and they'll make sure the upgrade was done right.
David
The #990 base still gets the unit pretty hot, even after multiple trips back. On the plus side, it does manage to charge the batteries.
I just charge both CAB2 units in the #993 charger, it runs cool and after it's trip back, it charges fine. When I come back later and the charge is complete, the CAB2 and charging base are nice and cool.
cjack-Lionel told me to loosen the 2 screws in the back under
the CTC button for the turn off problem. Sometimes the fix
worked and sometimes it was still difficult to turn off.
I have a number of issues with V1.4 under another thread
in this same heading (How can I get V1.4 upgrade).
Loosening screws sounds like there's a real problem with the CAB2. I can't imagine Lionel actually suggesting you do that! 
Looks like its take it apart time. I respect them wanting to fix themselves, but it's so tiring sending stuff back...then you get a controller that someone else had before he sent it in...fixed hopefully. Maybe I'll wait until it won't turn off ever.
The 990 charging electronics are not close to current technology. If the batteries feel hot you are overcharging. I have never left my 990 on auto charge for that reason. I switch to charge when required for no more than 45 minutes and set my cell phone timer. Hasn't been a hardship so far and I stay out of trouble.
Loosening screws sounds like there's a real problem with the CAB2. I can't imagine Lionel actually suggesting you do that!
Boggles the mind. 
I wonder how that started happening?
My new CAB 2 ON/OFF Switch is that way also, I will keep an eye on it after I loosen the screws, otherwise back it goes.
How can it be mechanical if the CTC button works perfectly when you turn it on, but doesn't respond when you try to turn it off?
How can it be mechanical if the CTC button works perfectly when you turn it on, but doesn't respond when you try to turn it off?
How can an electrical issue respond to a mechanical action, namely taking the screw out?
Right.
It didn't make any difference on mine loosening the screws. Besides, I don't want anyone to think I have screw loose so I snugged them back up.
1) There has always been a whine with the screen on, some hear it more than others, screech could be a problem
2) Feedback is so-so are you sure its on?
3) Heat is a problem, have you tried a different set of batteries?
weird Mine doesn't make any sound just the usual blip when pressing the keys.
feedback on mine is not that sensitive but I really don't care. it doesn't affect the trains any so woopty I look at it as a gimmick.
I will say this because of the legacy hand held I tend to look for Lionel engines.
I like the fact that the proto 2 engines don't blink under a tressle, don't have to worry about them loosing a signal in a yard . I don't have to stick a memory module in the hand held or program the engine by hand BUT to me and this is just me compared to the legacy controller the DCS hand held is a antiquated feature less POS.
It even looks toy like. The thumb wheel is a PITA and I'm always forgetting this code or that. And to beat all when I think I got the right code I hit the train wreck.
What moron put that in there? Hey I've been model railroading for a long time and believe me if I want a train wreck I know how to get er done.
MTH needs a huge wake up call . their hand held needs a rotory knob throttle a plunger type whistle control and touch screen info per engine.
I think the Legacy system has far surpassed anything MTH is making Proto 2 or 3 doesn't matter Lionel is light years ahead .
David
Right, we wouldn't want that! 
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