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UPDATED AGAIN! NEW PAT'S TRAINS CUSTOM RUNS - MTH PREMIER BLACK BONNET SANTA FE & B&O CINCINNATIAN DREYFUSS HUDSONS! - PRE-ORDER NOW AT WWW.PATSTRAINS.COM

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Hi All,

We are proud to announce are newest custom runs from MTH. We present our MTH Premier Black Bonnet Santa Fe and Baltimore & Ohio Cincinnatian Dreyfuss Hudsons! Both will be limited to 24 pieces each! If you missed out on our Lionel Black Bonnet Santa Fe Dreyfuss, this is your chance to get one!

PLEASE NOTE the image of the B&O Cincinnatian is the final iteration!

20-3912-1 4-6-4 Dreyfuss Steam Engine w/Proto-Sound 3.0 (Boxpok Hi-Rail Wheels) - Baltimore & Ohio Cincinnatian Cab #5301 - Patrick's Trains Exclusive! Limited to 24 Pieces
Click here to pre-order!
20-3912-1 Drawing Draft 3 Final
20-3912-1 4-6-4 Dreyfuss Steam Engine w/Proto-Sound 3.0 (Boxpok Hi-Rail Wheels) - Baltimore & Ohio Cincinnatian Cab #5301 - Patrick's Trains Exclusive! Limited to 24 Pieces

Patrick's Trains Exclusive! Limited to 24 pieces! - This custom version of the Dreyfuss Hudson will be as close as we can possibly get for paint decoration to the B&O prototype Pacific locomotives. We also had a new headlight bezel made to replace the standard nose fin that is found on regular NYC Dreyfuss locomotives to get the more correct front end look.

PLEASE NOTE the image of the B&O Cincinnatian is the final iteration!

Die-Cast Boiler and Chassis Die-Cast Tender Body Authentic Paint Scheme Real Tender Coal Load Die-Cast Locomotive and Tender Trucks Engineer and Fireman Figures Metal Handrails and Whistle Metal Wheels and Axles Remote Controlled Proto-Coupler Kadee Coupler Mounting Pads Prototypical Rule 17 Lighting Constant Voltage Headlight Operating Firebox Glow Operating Marker Lights Lighted Cab Interior Operating Tender Back-up Light 7-Pole Precision Flywheel-Equipped Motor Synchronized Puffing ProtoSmoke System Steaming Quillable Whistle Locomotive Speed Control In Scale MPH Increments Wireless Drawbar 1:48 Scale Proportions Onboard DCC Receiver Proto-Scale 3-2 3-Rail/2-Rail Conversion Capable 1:48 Scale Dimensions Proto-Sound 3.0 With The Digital Command System Featuring Quillable Whistle With Passenger Station Proto-Effects Unit Measures: 25 1/2” x 2 3/4” x 3 3/4” Operates On O-42 Curves Steam DCC Features Headlight/Tail light Bell Whistle Start-up/Shut-down Passenger Station/Freight Yard Sounds All Other Lights (On/Off) Master Volume Front Coupler Rear Coupler Forward Signal Reverse Signal Grade Crossing Smoke On/Off Smoke Volume Idle Sequence 3 Idle Sequence 2 Idle Sequence 1 Extended Start-up Extended Shut-down One Shot Doppler Coupler Slack Coupler Close Single Horn Blast Engine Sounds Brake Sounds Cab Chatter Feature Reset Labor Chuff Drift Chuff
Stock Number:
20-3912-1
Gauge:
O/O-27 Gauge
Manufacturer:
MTH Premier
Product Type:
Locomotives
Price:
$1,349.95
Availability:
Pre-order [2]
20-3913-1 Black Bonnet 4-6-4 Dreyfuss Steam Engine w/Proto-Sound 3.0 (Scullin Hi-Rail Wheels) - Santa Fe Cab #3460 - Patrick's Trains Exclusive! Limited to 24 Pieces
Click here to pre-order!
20-3913-1 Black Bonnet 4-6-4 Dreyfuss Steam Engine w/Proto-Sound 3.0 (Scullin Hi-Rail Wheels) - Santa Fe Cab #3460 - Patrick's Trains Exclusive! Limited to 24 Pieces

Patrick's Trains Exclusive! Limited to 24 pieces! - This custom version of the Dreyfuss Hudson features the Black Bonnet Santa Fe paint scheme. It is different than our previously announced offering from Lionel. It would be a great alternative if you missed out on that sold out Lionel offering!

Die-Cast Boiler and Chassis Die-Cast Tender Body Authentic Paint Scheme Real Tender Coal Load Die-Cast Locomotive and Tender Trucks Engineer and Fireman Figures Metal Handrails and Whistle Metal Wheels and Axles Remote Controlled Proto-Coupler Kadee Coupler Mounting Pads Prototypical Rule 17 Lighting Constant Voltage Headlight Operating Firebox Glow Operating Marker Lights Lighted Cab Interior Operating Tender Back-up Light 7-Pole Precision Flywheel-Equipped Motor Synchronized Puffing ProtoSmoke System Steaming Quillable Whistle Locomotive Speed Control In Scale MPH Increments Wireless Drawbar 1:48 Scale Proportions Onboard DCC Receiver Proto-Scale 3-2 3-Rail/2-Rail Conversion Capable 1:48 Scale Dimensions Proto-Sound 3.0 With The Digital Command System Featuring Quillable Whistle With Passenger Station Proto-Effects Unit Measures: 25 1/2” x 2 3/4” x 3 3/4” Operates On O-42 Curves Steam DCC Features Headlight/Tail light Bell Whistle Start-up/Shut-down Passenger Station/Freight Yard Sounds All Other Lights (On/Off) Master Volume Front Coupler Rear Coupler Forward Signal Reverse Signal Grade Crossing Smoke On/Off Smoke Volume Idle Sequence 3 Idle Sequence 2 Idle Sequence 1 Extended Start-up Extended Shut-down One Shot Doppler Coupler Slack Coupler Close Single Horn Blast Engine Sounds Brake Sounds Cab Chatter Feature Reset Labor Chuff Drift Chuff
Stock Number:
20-3913-1
Gauge:
O/O-27 Gauge
Manufacturer:
MTH Premier
Product Type:
Locomotives
Price:
$1,349.95
Availability:
Pre-order [2]

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FM Former Member
@jonnyspeed posted:

Good luck with the project, but a B&O Dreyfuss Hudson made to look like a P7D Pacific?

While not perfectly kosher prototypically speaking is it close enough to give it consideration?  I am not a student of trains, as are others.  It seems that the material differences are on the front end?  To this casual observer the Dreyfus Hudson and the P7D look very similar.

Please elaborate a bit on your concerns/objections.

Thanks

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peter allen 072518peter allen 072518OGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER
@Hot Water posted:

So, you mist all the spectacular B&O steam locomotive models offered by Sunset/3rd Rail?

You are correct! Since I got into the hobby about 10ish years ago. I have not seen a brass B&O steam engine released (From Sunset/3rd Rail). I want some of their back catalog items (this is not a want to buy). But this is Brand new and if someone is going to do a custom run, I want to support it! 

jonnyspeedjonnyspeedOGR Forum Member
@Former Member posted:

While not perfectly kosher prototypically speaking is it close enough to give it consideration?  I am not a student of trains, as are others.  It seems that the material differences are on the front end?  To this casual observer the Dreyfus Hudson and the P7D look very similar.

Please elaborate a bit on your concerns/objections.

Thanks

The differences are massive. First of all, the model is a Hudson (4-6-4). The P7D was a Pacific (4-6-2). If you aren't looking for a scale model, then go for it. If you are a B&O fan and you want a realistic P7D this is not even close.

peter allen 072518peter allen 072518OGR Forum Member DIGITAL SUBSCRIBER

If someone out there wants to make this as pacific, I would say great. How many NEW b&o engines come out? If we don't support what is made, why would any seller venture to make other new stuff? I have wanted to see a streamlined B&O engine since I got into this, 10 somethings years ago.  Lets not poo poo it, lets be happy its here! As a B&O collector who cares about scale, I once again say SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

FM Former Member

What Jonnyspeed is saying has merit.  This B&O is being offered only because MTH is offering a Dreyfus Hudson.  That and the streamlined front end of the streamlined Hudson VS the Pacific make it plausible.  While not a slave to prototypical anything, I don't like any offering that resembles the Monty Python Parrot sketch.

Definitely having second thoughts on this one.

jonnyspeedjonnyspeedOGR Forum Member
@peter allen 072518 posted:

If someone out there wants to make this as pacific, I would say great. How many NEW b&o engines come out? If we don't support what is made, why would any seller venture to make other new stuff? I have wanted to see a streamlined B&O engine since I got into this, 10 somethings years ago.  Lets not poo poo it, lets be happy its here! As a B&O collector who cares about scale, I once again say SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

I'm sorry, but your logic is so very flawed here. You mean you want to encourage companies to do cheap knockoffs instead of proper models? I can paint a brick with the same B&O paint scheme and put some wheels on it, but that doesn't make it a P7D.

Why not say no thank you and put in a request for Lionel to do a P7D since they still invest in new tooling, and they have never done one? Or go find one from 3rd Rail or Weaver on the secondary market? They are out there. A "B&O collector" should care about the model actually being something the B&O had I would think, but what do I know?

FM Former Member

Jonnyspeed I take only one issue with your post, at $1,349.95 these are not cheap at least IMO.  

I do not impart any sinister (my words not yours) intent in this offering. IMO it was a an opportunity presented when the Dreyfus was announced.  Pat's Trains evidently decided to come close to the P7D using the Dreyfus Hudson since there were apparently no immediate plans to make a real P7D model by Lionel or anybody else.

To some something close that could pass for a P7D was better than nothing at all.  This reminds me of the Trainworld custom run of Strasburg #90 which was not correct but would do in the absence of the much more expensive Lionel version yet to arrive.  As I recall that Trainworld version sold out.

Obviously the hobby is able to accommodate the collecting parameters that you and Peter express.

For me as a casual train knowledge person once the differences were pointed out I could not unsee them.  But that is just me.

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