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Hello all!

I'm a new member and long-time forum reader. I didn't see a new member's introduction section, so I hope it's ok to do a little of that here. (mods please feel free to move this if needed)  My fascination with classic toy trains started when I picked up a copy of one of the guides at my local library, the exact title has been lost to time, but I remember many hours spent paging through that book and others like it dreaming of playing with my own trains some day.  When I was about 14 the owner of my local hobby shop gave me a box containing what was left of a 2026 that had been in a flood. I stripped it all down and returned it to operating condition -I hesitate to use the word restored here- and it has been an annual fixture under my Christmas tree ever since.

I've learned a ton about classic toy trains over the years from reading various forum threads on here, and from that inspiration I finally purchased a lovely stablemate for my 2026 in the form of a 224e from everyone's favorite online auction site.

From what I can gather from the various details my particular 224e was made in 1939, but I certainly may be off by a year or two. The tender however appears to be a bit of a mixed bag. It is stamped 2224W on the bottom, and it has a die cast whistle unit under a black die cast metal shell with a separate bakelite(?) coal load. At some point in its past post-war trucks were installed which I initially thought was a good thing as I do not currently own any pre-war rolling stock and those post-war knuckle couplers would play nicely with the rest of my small post-war collection. On closer inspection the post-war trucks have a longer wheelbase than the originally equipped trucks and interfere with the cast steps on the tender when negotiating a curve. Also the drawbars on both the locomotive and the tender may not be original. When placed on the track the tender drawbar is very close to slipping under the end of the locomotive's hook. I suspect that the tender's drawbar is from whatever the post-war trucks were sourced from.

I've been trying to identify what I have here on the bench, but so far that has eluded me, so I will turn to the collective knowledge base for help.

What original trucks and drawbar should be under this 1939(?) era 2224w tender? Is there a specific Lionel part number that I should be looking for? So far my google searching has not provided the answer. I am also not opposed to putting trucks that are not original but are functional on it. Additionally several of the screws holding the tender shell to the floor and one of the screws holding the coal load are missing or mismatched.  Again, my google searches for replacement screws have been fruitless.

Similarly I would like to request some assistance identifying the drawbar on the 224e to determine if it is correct for the locomotive.

On the 224e one of the long screws that holds the valve eccentric through the spacer and connecting rod is slightly bent. It is working, and I have been tempted to remove it again and gently bend it back straight again, but I am afraid that I will snap the poor old thing. Is straightening those screws something that has been done successfully?

[edit] Spelling errors and it looks like the photos didn't go through.

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I love the 224e and 2224W.   

The 2224W came with a round and slotted drawbar.     2235W is the same, except the rear coupler height.  There were 2 basic coupler heights then.    2224 and 2235 tenders were  an intermediate size between the 2226 and 2426 and the other postwar 2020, 2466, 6466.   

Your engine draw bar looks like the postwar one.    The 224 was made postwar also.

The original drawbar for the tender is,  2688T3,  the stantion is 700E-70BK.  BK is black vs. silver.

The prewar drawbar is 224E-14B, it is longer than the postwar ones.

The front steps on the tender may have 2 positions they can be bolted in, one more inside and  one more outside.   The outside position will give more wheel clearance.

Thank you for that information. I’ll start tracking some parts down.

Are the pre-war 2224 tender trucks different or special, or will any old pre-war trucks of like vintage fit? I guess one has a coupler and one doesn’t, so caboose trucks?

And yes, I realize I would be money ahead buying a 2224w in period correct, functional condition, but I enjoy the process of returning an injured little train to its original state.

@dmcchaser posted:

Thank you for that information. I’ll start tracking some parts down.

Are the pre-war 2224 tender trucks different or special, or will any old pre-war trucks of like vintage fit? I guess one has a coupler and one doesn’t, so caboose trucks?

And yes, I realize I would be money ahead buying a 2224w in period correct, functional condition, but I enjoy the process of returning an injured little train to its original state.

You'll have to get a specific front truck with the draw bar (triangular tip) and the correct rear coupler truck.  The rear coupler shank length will be an issue, as well as coupler height. You'll want "low" couplers.  the aforementioned 2235 (low coupler, and its relative, the 2245(high coupler), are intended for the 225 locomotive. Any box coupler type is apropos as the 224 was made during the time of all three types of box coupler types.

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My goodness! This rabbit hole goes deeper than I expected. I think it's time to reassess my plans for this little locomotive. Perhaps finding an inoperative 224e with the correct tender and combining into one working set or something along those lines.

The good news is; after a little time on the bench cleaning and lubricating it the 224e is running beautifully and the 2224w is whistling happily after un-sticking the motor brushes and a scorpionectomy. The locomotive got the handrails straightened as well as the bent drive rod screw. All in all it's really looking quite sharp, and it really is a smooth runner - much more so than my 2026. Although I don't think my particular 2026 should be held up as any sort of example, except perhaps that of Lionel's remarkable durability.

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