Hot Water posted:Swafford posted:DD35A.............
Fantasy. EMD only had two DD35 units and three GP35 units in that Demonstrator paint scheme.
No kidding, it's fantasy LOL...................Give it a break Mr. Right!
The other guy has a Niagara, but they are hard to find....... Yes: Lionel my be in........
Gary
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I would like to see a Scale C&O Yellowbelly in legacy , Or a Legacy UP Veranda but I wont hold my breath
Swafford posted:Hot Water posted:Swafford posted:DD35A.............
Fantasy. EMD only had two DD35 units and three GP35 units in that Demonstrator paint scheme.
No kidding, it's fantasy LOL...................Give it a break Mr. Right!
Well,,,,if you aren't going to let the folks know that it is a "fantasy styling" when you post it, don't blame me! Many folks here would not realize that it is a "fantasy scheme".
BigRail posted:Kudos to the LCCA attendees for keeping this a secret. I'm impressed. For those of us that enjoy the surprise of what is to come, thank-you. And remember, no matter how much I beg, no matter what I say, absolutely do not tell me what is in the catalog!
Ok, ok....please tell me, I can't take it anymore. I was just kidding...tell me please!
So just to break the monotony, anyone venture a guess what movie I was paying tribute to?
BigRail
Young Frankenstein. Number 2 on my list of favorite films, just ahead of The Frisco Kid. Oy gevalt!
What, me worry?
The idea of keeping the release secret after it was released to the Lcca in the convention is childish and just plain idiotic.
Not everybody can go to the convention, some don't have the time and some can't afford it, why should they be left out.
david1 posted:The idea of keeping the release secret after it was released to the Lcca in the convention is childish and just plain idiotic.
Not everybody can go to the convention, some don't have the time and some can't afford it, why should they be left out.
As I said attending and membership has it's privileges.
I'm sure if there was big news an attendee would have posted the ground breaking news by now. As we know not everyone will do as asked. I guess it's just not that big of deal to me that I can't wait until the 17th.
MartyE posted:david1 posted:The idea of keeping the release secret after it was released to the Lcca in the convention is childish and just plain idiotic.
Not everybody can go to the convention, some don't have the time and some can't afford it, why should they be left out.
As I said attending and membership has it's privileges.
I'm sure if there was big news an attendee would have posted the ground breaking news by now. As we know not everyone will do as asked. I guess it's just not that big of deal to me that I can't wait until the 17th.
I won't be attending meets or paying their membership fees. So why would I expect to be privy to membership privileged information? I can wait.
The really, really, really big news would be for Lionel to produce a hybrid brass Niagara or Hudson ultra detailed. So . . . . . . . my prediction is:
HYBRID BRASS NIAGARA OR HUDSON ULTRA DETAILED. Of course, it will be ultra expensive !!!
That way Lionel can ask a high price and, as you all know, we'll pay it. Niagara with whistle steam and brass detail. Just give them your credit card and have done with it.
Hot Water posted:Swafford posted:Hot Water posted:Swafford posted:DD35A.............
Fantasy. EMD only had two DD35 units and three GP35 units in that Demonstrator paint scheme.
No kidding, it's fantasy LOL...................Give it a break Mr. Right!
Well,,,,if you aren't going to let the folks know that it is a "fantasy styling" when you post it, don't blame me! Many folks here would not realize that it is a "fantasy scheme".
LOL...........................Blame you! Seriously? LOL!!!
Get a life Mr. Right! It is a fantasy color scheme! No big deal! LOL
I'd hate the price tag but....Legacy PRR S2 Duplex would be sweet!! It would look real nice rolling around my horseshoe curve! 
Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:I'd hate the price tag but....Legacy PRR S2 Duplex would be sweet!! It would look real nice rolling around my horseshoe curve!
Im already looking forward to watching that video on your youtube channel!
paigetrain posted:oh i forgot one train i would like to see
CP Holiday train
Already being produced by MTH. It was in the most recent 2017 catalog.
http://mthtrains.com/premier/spotlight/09_2017/g
Unlikely Lionel will duplicate the effort.
Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:I'd hate the price tag but....Legacy PRR S2 Duplex would be sweet!! It would look real nice rolling around my horseshoe curve!
Nick,
Do you mean the S1 Duplex (6-4-4-6), the S2 Turbine (6-8-6), or the T1 Duplex (4-4-4-4)? I really want to see a T1 Production engine since there have been a lot of S1 and S2 engines made by multiple manufacturers.
A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.
CAPPilot posted:Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:I'd hate the price tag but....Legacy PRR S2 Duplex would be sweet!! It would look real nice rolling around my horseshoe curve!
Nick,
Do you mean the S1 Duplex (6-4-4-6), the S2 Turbine (6-8-6), or the T1 Duplex (4-4-4-4)? I really want to see a T1 Production engine since there have been a lot of S1 and S2 engines made by multiple manufacturers.
Typo. Yes I meant the S1 Duplex 6-4-4-6. You won't see a scale lionel T1 Duplex thanks to the ridiculous lawsuit by MTH over copywrite laws. The T1 Duplex scale with Legacy and whistle smoke would be my #1
gunrunnerjohn posted:A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.
Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks
Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.
Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks
The S2 Turbine was part of the lawsuit and it has been made by Lionel since the lawsuit.
Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.
Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks
I will admit to know little or nothing of copyright law, but how is it possible for one to own the sole rights to making a 1:48 scale model of any railroad item? Maybe they own the copyright to the "method" they used to make the scale model. If so, Lionel needs to reverse engineer from the actual locomotive, avoiding the method MTH used. I would gather the Lionmaster T-1 used the MTH methodology, but because it wasn't the same scale as MTH, there is no legal case.
I would like some further clarification if anyone knows some details; in layman terms, please.
BigJohn&theWork posted:Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.
Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks
The S2 Turbine was part of the lawsuit and it has been made by Lionel since the lawsuit.
Doesn't make sense. I never heard the turbine was in that ordeal. I did hear the N&W 1218 was.
TM Terry posted:Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.
Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks
I will admit to know little or nothing of copyright law, but how is it possible for one to own the sole rights to making a 1:48 scale model of any railroad item? Maybe they own the copyright to the "method" they used to make the scale model. If so, Lionel needs to reverse engineer from the actual locomotive, avoiding the method MTH used. I would gather the Lionmaster T-1 used the MTH methodology, but because it wasn't the same scale as MTH, there is no legal case.
I would like some further clarification if anyone knows some details; in layman terms, please.
I don't know the whole lingo with that story but I've heard it from multiple sources. I agree with you. It's total baloney!!!! 
I think that if Lionel would do a scale T-1 Duplex (which I admit would be great) again, they'd have to invest in complete new tooling after the lawsuit. They made all new tooling for the Allegheny and the Big Boy in 2005-6, which I'm not 100% sure were also involved in the copyright scandal in 2000, but wouldn't surprise me if they were.
I still stand strong by my beliefs that Lionel should re-release a Legacy version of the J3A class Hudson with whistle steam. Much like the scale T-1 Duplex, it's been absent from the Lionel line for 15+ years. There's clearly a whole LOT of people on this forum who would snap it up at the flick of a switch - hence why it's really hard to find the 2002 version anywhere, even on the bay - and it's an engine that can be done in multiple variations, much like the 2015 Empire State Express was. If there's an old engine I would like Lionel to rehash, it's this one.
As for any others, I do think Lionel has made just about every engine I do want, but I will agree a Legacy Niagara, and L3/4 class Mohawk would be great.
Scrapiron Scher posted:The really, really, really big news would be for Lionel to produce a hybrid brass Niagara or Hudson ultra detailed. So . . . . . . . my prediction is:
HYBRID BRASS NIAGARA OR HUDSON ULTRA DETAILED. Of course, it will be ultra expensive !!!
That way Lionel can ask a high price and, as you all know, we'll pay it. Niagara with whistle steam and brass detail. Just give them your credit card and have done with it.
I agree with your selection, however I do not think Lionel could risk leaving out their dealers again. I think the first go around was to test the waters and it appears it was successful. The pricing will be another story.
Rod Miller
TM Terry posted:Nick PghTrainFanatic posted:gunrunnerjohn posted:A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.
Won't happen John....I want that too but mth sued Lionel over the T1 copywrites for a scale sized engine. That's why you've only seen lionmaster T1 duplexes from Lionel. Sucks
I will admit to know little or nothing of copyright law, but how is it possible for one to own the sole rights to making a 1:48 scale model of any railroad item? Maybe they own the copyright to the "method" they used to make the scale model. If so, Lionel needs to reverse engineer from the actual locomotive, avoiding the method MTH used. I would gather the Lionmaster T-1 used the MTH methodology, but because it wasn't the same scale as MTH, there is no legal case.
I would like some further clarification if anyone knows some details; in layman terms, please.
I don't know the whole lingo with that story but I've heard it from multiple sources. I agree with you. It's total baloney!!!!
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Not to dredge up old corpses:
There is no "copyright" of a 1:48 model of a T-1, or anything else. Lionel (and their Korean builder) were guilty of industrial espionage (sounds so Big Corporate) by actually stealing the model designs from MTH - not the PRR replica part, but the underlying machinery and parts design on a few locos in order to get to the market sooner and cheaper. The "lawsuit engines" include the PRR T-1, N&W A 2-6-6-4 and the C&O Allegheny, if my memory serves me well. Maybe more(?). Been a while. These locos contained part designs that were exact copies of MTH parts, or so it was stated. (To be honest, years ago, a friend and I compared my Lionel 2-6-6-4 with his MTH 2-6-6-4 - underneath, not in the "replica" area - and we could see no particular precise similarity in shapes and forms of the mechanicals/structure between the two - but we didn't take anything apart - and it's been a long time...)
Note that none of these TMCC locos ever even appeared with Odyssey, to say nothing of Legacy. That's because if Lionel wants to produce them, they have to pay for all-new Lionel-designed tooling, an expensive proposition on designs whose time and market may have passed. Lionel can produce all the 1:48 anythings it wants, if the money is allocated.
That is as I understand it.
Mikado 4501 posted:I think that if Lionel would do a scale T-1 Duplex (which I admit would be great) again, they'd have to invest in complete new tooling after the lawsuit. They made all new tooling for the Allegheny and the Big Boy in 2005-6, which I'm not 100% sure were also involved in the copyright scandal in 2000, but wouldn't surprise me if they were.
I still stand strong by my beliefs that Lionel should re-release a Legacy version of the J3A class Hudson with whistle steam. Much like the scale T-1 Duplex, it's been absent from the Lionel line for 15+ years. There's clearly a whole LOT of people on this forum who would snap it up at the flick of a switch - hence why it's really hard to find the 2002 version anywhere, even on the bay - and it's an engine that can be done in multiple variations, much like the 2015 Empire State Express was. If there's an old engine I would like Lionel to rehash, it's this one.
As for any others, I do think Lionel has made just about every engine I do want, but I will agree a Legacy Niagara, and L3/4 class Mohawk would be great.
Yes J3 Hudson, a hybrid J3!!!!!!
Thanks for the clarification. I think Lionel should spend the money to re-tool!
The issues in the Korea "scandal" were considerably more complex than mentioned, and dramatically affected by differences in Korean and USA law. In Korea, designers and executives were initially found guilty of industrial misconduct.
Lionel's subcontractor for diecast locos was a company named Korea Brass, as I recall, and they were subject to separate lawsuits by MTH in the USA, and perhaps in Korea as well. Design engineers in Korea frequently worked for more than one manufacturer (Korea Brass for Lionel and Samhongsa for MTH being two). They reused designs to save time and energy, which apparently violated Korean law, but perhaps not USA law since the events occurred in Korea.
There was no finding of liability by Lionel in the US (in comparison to Korea, where individuals were found liable and guilty of violation of Korean laws). The lawsuit between Lionel and MTH was settled by a bankruptcy judge after the initial decision favoring MTH was thrown out on appeal. An expert witness whose testimony was that Lionel's locos used MTH's designs was a reason the appeal was successful. This expert witness was ruled to have used invalid methods of reaching his conclusions.
I rather doubt there is any obstacle to Lionel producing whatever locos they want with whatever tooling they have access to. Neither Samhongsa nor Korea Brass still exists to my knowledge. What happened to those toolings is not entirely clear. MTH seems to have hung onto most or all of their diecast tooling, but the Korea Brass tooling does not seem to be owned by Lionel. I am not sure about that.
Shortly after the resolution of the main lawsuit (sealed documents), Lionel licensed production of their iconic trade dress of tinplate prewar equipment to MTH, thus I think it's fair to say the lawsuit was resolved in a way that was satisfactory to some extent to both parties.
Probably best not to talk about scandals and guilt when no USA court has found anybody at Lionel or the company itself liable for damages, much less guilty. It was a negotiated legal settlement that partisans seem to have misunderstood in that respect. Many people seem to have assumed the guilt of one of Lionel's main executives, but he has never been charged nor ever named in a lawsuit, and continues to import model trains (primarily HO and N) very successfully through his own company. Lots of invidious inferences with no hard data to support them have followed this episode.
Did Lionel report on the production status of the new logging disconnect cars? I have heard nothing about them, and last I looked they are not on the website shipping schedule.
Anyone? Thanks.
how about a military themed train set or even better
a MORRISON KNUDSEN set led by a MK5000C
paigetrain posted:how about a military themed train set or even better
a MORRISON KNUDSEN set led by a MK5000C
Since you have stated many, many times, that since you don't have enough money, you are going to HO, why do you continue with these posts on the O-Scale Forums?
trainroomgary posted:The first thing I always check for is any thing with this road name.
Detroit & Mackinac Railway
Gary
The O Scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar that was made in the USA then moved to China has centered doors. They would need to put the DM paint scheme that boxcar in China to get a close approximation.
The trucks need to be the roller bearing trucks.
Andrew
gunrunnerjohn posted:A scale Legacy PRR T1 Duplex with whistle steam would be very nice.
A re-run of the LionMaster T1 with Legacy would get my money in a heartbeat. As much as I'd love a scale version, I don't think my "toy rail" 0-31/0-42/0-27 curved layout would accommodate it....
how about an ALCO / EMD MRS1
What did happen to the O scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar that was made in the USA then moved to China for production?
They have not produced that O scale boxcar in years. There are many more railroads left to produced. McCloud River Railroad, the accurate SOUTHERN PACIFIC scheme, the SOUTHERN Railway, NS, more COTTON BELT, WESTERN PACIFIC, SCL, CSX, D&RGW, and others.
Did the Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar get a page or two in the new Volume 2 catalog?
Andrew
Did they lose track of the Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcars after the move to China?
if not, then somebody at Lionel must want us to buy up all the incorrectly painted O scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcars, remove the wrong graphics and colors, change the trucks, make new decals, and put the right railroad graphics on the boxcars.
Andrew
Do you think they will do the "hint, hint" on their Facebook page like they did with the AC9 and such?
Since some of us are wishing, I have a request that all EMD F3A (and newer to F9) and all ALCO FA1 locomotives have electrocouplers on both the front and rear.
I understand the EMD FT argument, but it doesn't apply to its successors
I love to see a DD35 B unit unpowered or powered. in PRR and Southern(sufferin)Pacific. l love them both.
falconservice posted:The O Scale Exterior-Braced 50' Double-Door Boxcar that was made in the USA then moved to China has centered doors. They would need to put the DM paint scheme that boxcar in China to get a close approximation.
The trucks need to be the roller bearing trucks.
Andrew
Hi Andrew, thanks for the information on the D&M. Below is a Pere Marquette boxcar, that is on my layout. Anything with a local road name, is always a good find. I will be looking for local road names in this up coming Lionel Catalog.
Gary
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Well, Ryan did say in the TW video earlier this year to expect some NYC stuff not to far down the road(no Hudson's though). Also in his plans was #90 Stasburg RR, that would be awesome. If that isn't in there expect that in next year's I would say, make sense?
