mth 30-1610-1 steam engine garbled sound ps 3

If you want help on an engine, you really ought to give the model number.

thanks RJR but i don't know the number have to find out tomorrow.

But thanks for the reply.did you ever hear of a garbled sound ps3 engine that's only garbled when the train is moving,!

Alan

Had a steam loco with PS2 board in loco and speaker in tender.  Caused by a problem in the tether plug or connections to the loco tether socket.

Make sure that wires are correctly soldered to the speaker connections, and the wires from the speaker coil are soldered to the speaker contacts.

This is a new one for me.  Steam or Diesel makes a big difference too since Steam is 2 boards, and Diesel one.   G

hi George the item number for this engine is 30-1610-1 mth steam engine!

Alan

0-8-0 Imperial Steam Engine w/Proto-Sound 3.0
Western Maryland
0-8-0 Imperial Steam Engine w/Proto-Sound 3.0 - Western Maryland

http://mthtrains.com/search/30-1610-1

Is the engine still under warranty? If so, I would send it back to MTH. I Have the same engine I bought back in march. Just got it back from MTH for a new PS-3 board that let the smoke out.

This doesn't pertain to your problem but, I would inspect the tender coupler and make sure the plastic insulator is installed like the one in this picture. Mine was turned around and smoked the PS-3 board in reverse on a lash up after uncoupling some cars. The solder tabs shorted to the axle.

Sent you an e-mail.  Since PS-3 I would start by swapping a new Boiler board after inspecting all the wiring and draw bar connection.  Some sort of interference, though I have not seen wiring do that to sound.  So I suspect the boiler board has issues and is dragging down 5V on the tender board causing garbled sounds.  But if under warranty I would send it in also.   G

thanks for you input George, same i suspected a 5 volt problem or other drain on the five volt from another susoected board! hope he can fix it. he is my local hobby shop doing a warrantry train repair!

Alan

George, you post raises a question:  Do the PS3 boards operate at higher internal voltage than the PS-2 3-volt boards?

Actually, I would suspect if anything that the PS/3 boards would run at a lower voltage, that's the trend with never semiconductors.

That's normally true, but then how does the PS2 2.4 volt board have 5 volts internally?

Robert,

but then how does the PS2 2.4 volt board have 5 volts internally?

It's the board's processor that runs on 3 volts (the battery is 2.4 volts). The board has track power (18 volts or so) coming into it and can make that into whatever lower voltage it needs.

The two have nothing to do with each other.

No, the PS-3 still has a 5V regulator.  There are still micro control chips on the board that run at 5VDC.  The processor maybe 3.3VDC or less.  If so a buck circuit or another Power Supply regulator for the processor may be on the board.

The PS-2 3V has two regulators on it.  One is 5VDC on the power supply board and the other is 3.3V on the processor board.  The 5V feeds the chips needing 5V plus markers and smoke fan, the motor relay, and the input to the 3.3VDC power supply.  As far as I can figure the 3.3VDC power supply only feeds the 2 main processors and maybe the memory chip.   G

It has a 5V power supply and the battery circuit has a boost circuit to provide the additional 2.5V to assist with shutdown on battery.   G

how come if i try to look up parts for this engine item # 30-1610-1 on the  mth websight nothing comes up at all!

http://mthtrains.com/30-1610-1

check this websight no parts available and this is a 2014 engine

Alan

Many of the latest products have no parts list, this is common with both MTH and Lionel parts sites.

John so how do you order parts then , do you have to rely on Midge to find the parts and part numbers?

Alan 

What part do you need?  The internal PS-3 boards are standard, rollers and tires can be identified by sight?  Cosmetic stuff is a call or e-mail to MTH.

Are you fixing this for the shop or is the shop tech?  IF the shop has a tech is he an MTH ASC graduate?  If not, why not?

If you need the board, your going to have to have a ASC tech order it.   G

There's a procedure to order parts when you have no part number, I've been hit or miss with getting the right part using that procedure.  George's question is spot on, an MTH ASC should have the info available.

BB and GGG, thanks for the info on the boards.

yes my hobby shop is a asc certified technician, i was trying to help him trouble shoot the garbled sound issue on the 30-1610-1 mth steam engine.!

Alan

No George im not repairing the steam engine just trying to  help my hobby shop with trouble shooting. my parts question  was about me trying to  have midge find the 10 pin steam engine 30-1195-1 challenger boiler connector that you George gave me the part number for.. midge says that connector is no longer available, and she was trying to  find one that she found out was a little bigger then the one ag0000061 , that number she came up with was AG0000039, this number is .2 mm bigger!

Alan

Get the connector and cut it down.  FWIW, I've had to remove the diodes from some of the locomotive connectors and move them to the wiring harness. They work the same.

Yes, get one, unless the size is too large in which case you might not have room to trim because of solder pad location.

John, HIs PCB doesn't have diodes on it, the MUX board makes the PV from the motor lead input.  G

I wasn't sure about the diodes, just mentioned that in case it was an issue since I've had to move them.

You can solder to the connector pads if necessary, without actually seeing what he's dealing with, it's hard to know.  I'm a visual kind of person.

Thanks all, I'll check into everything you guys said ounce the connector comes in the mail from mth. (Midge) hope you all had a happy Fathers day.Hope your week is great!

Alan

Thanks for your help George the problem was the boiler board in 30-1610-1 engine. Could you tell me the part number for the boiler board for this engine , i looked up on the mth web sight and no parts list available!

Thanks for any help you can give George!

Alan

AE-1000032 FET and 1000033 Relay.  Need to know which one.  You need to be a tech to get that board as you need a turn in.

I have both in stock if you need one, but I need yours as a turn in.   G

George This is the guy that owns the hobby shop and is a qualified  tech and has gone threw the course, but it having trouble getting the part number to order warranty from mth Maryland, I'm trying to  help  him with the repair, I'll have TO CHECK the bad board and let you know what it looks like i saw it yesterday and has 1 cap on board and a small square device, but I'm not sure what the device is, could you send me a picture, and I'll try to take a picture of his board also!

Thanks for all your help!

Alan

there is no relay on the board and is around 2"X1" rectangular board with 1 white connector on the top of the board!

Thanks Alan

P.s. it would be much easier to tell you on my cell phone!

8567599632

Alan,  He has access to all this info. He gets documents from service and pictures with part numbers for the boards.  I thought I was helping you, I do have other things I can be doing with my time  Next time your in the shop ask him to see the MTH Tech notes.  G

Yes George he showed me his books today, he came up with the same part number you did , thanks for your help, sorry for all the confusion.I did not know there were any books to look in, that's why i was trying to help him!

Have a nice weekend!

Alan