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I know a lot of O gauge folks are older than the baby boom generation, but a lot of us are baby boomers. I got my first train set in '60' or '61' so I got to run Post War trains. (I still have one engine from then)

My biggest concern is not the hobby dying, but all the train techs who are getting older and eventually passing on. There is one Lionel tech here in Southwest Michigan, he's in his 60's and not in the best health. He also told me Lionel doesn't have tech classes anymore because of lack of enrollment. I don't know about MTH or any other company. I'm trying to learn how to do a lot of my own repairs, but these 'circuit board' trains are past my ability. For me mainly because of nerve damage from a accident.

I also noticed at York last October most of the guys there were 50 and up. I think there are a few good years left, but after that I don't know the future of model railroad so I guess I'll just enjoy it while it's here or while I'm here.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

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DennyM posted:

I know a lot of O gauge folks are older than the baby boom generation, but a lot of us are baby boomers. I got my first train set in '60' or '61' so I got to run Post War trains. (I still have one engine from then)..

...What are your thoughts on the matter?

Carpe diem, i. e. enjoy the time you have, play, indulge yourself with toys, play, imbibe with care, play, get a good night's rest, take naps when you feel the urge, lighten-up on the dairy, trips to the bakery, & pizza, increase intake of grains, veggies, and fruits (this comes from a 71+ year old who has been thru a wringer, now well recovered, having learned, though a bit late,) and nurture every personal relationship you have been blessed to have. And play.

Oh, wait, you wanted to talk about trains and the hobby. I just did. It is all interwoven and begins and ends with your healthfrontIMG_0034IMG_8599bnmx,2IMG_5534x, both physical and spiritual. IMHO.

FrankM.

P.S. Oh, and maybe, craft yourself a layout. (Very restful and rewarding.)

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One of the more recent generations here, I saw the tail end of the 1990's. My great grandad got me started, him and my grandfather have made it a point to bring me all the old trains they can find at my birthday and Christmas lol. Funnily enough, I like fixing my trains better than running them. At the moment, the circuit boards are beyond my capability, but unless the engine is a switcher, if it has a circuit board issue, I replace the boards with a bridge rectifier (can motor engines) or else hard wire the motor (pulmor).

DennyM posted:

My biggest concern is not the hobby dying, but all the train techs who are getting older and eventually passing on. There is one Lionel tech here in Southwest Michigan, he's in his 60's and not in the best health. He also told me Lionel doesn't have tech classes anymore because of lack of enrollment. I don't know about MTH or any other company. I'm trying to learn how to do a lot of my own repairs, but these 'circuit board' trains are past my ability. For me mainly because of nerve damage from a accident.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

My thoughts are that the hobby doesn't need those people.  There are thousands of new trains manufactured every year by Lionel, MTH, Atlas, wbb, etc.  Heaven forbid a few old trains become unfixable and have to go to the landfill.

The O-scale part of this hobby will continue on either way.  I'm well below the median age in this hobby and I'm confident that the best is yet to come, even if some trains can't be fixed.

Moonson posted:

Carpe diem, i. e. enjoy the time you have, play, indulge yourself with toys, play, imbibe with care, play, get a good night's rest, take naps when you feel the urge, lighten-up on the dairy, trips to the bakery, & pizza, increase intake of grains, veggies, and fruits (this comes from a 71+ year old who has been thru a wringer, now well recovered, having learned, though a bit late,) and nurture every personal relationship you have been blessed to have. And play.

Oh, wait, you wanted to talk about trains and the hobby. I just did. It is all interwoven and begins and ends with your health, both physical and spiritual. IMHO.

FrankM.

P.S. Oh, and maybe, craft yourself a layout. (Very restful and rewarding.)

Wow!  What kind, heartfelt wisdom. Thank you.

I hope I have my head screwed-on straight like you do, when I reach your age.

One the other hand ..... Please! , if I turn into one of the grouchy experts here when I reach my golden years ... just shoot me!

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I was born is 1964, and I don't worry much about the future of the hobby.

I do all I can do to introduce the hobby to others, my children, my modular club, and my friends and coworkers, and that's all I can do.

My trains and layout I bought and built for my own enjoyment, partially for the kids, but when we are empty nesters I will still be running my trains and having a good time.

If new train production would stop today, I have more than enough trains to last the rest of my life.

 

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Martin H posted:
DennyM posted:

My biggest concern is not the hobby dying, but all the train techs who are getting older and eventually passing on. There is one Lionel tech here in Southwest Michigan, he's in his 60's and not in the best health. He also told me Lionel doesn't have tech classes anymore because of lack of enrollment. I don't know about MTH or any other company. I'm trying to learn how to do a lot of my own repairs, but these 'circuit board' trains are past my ability. For me mainly because of nerve damage from a accident.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

My thoughts are that the hobby doesn't need those people.  There are thousands of new trains manufactured every year by Lionel, MTH, Atlas, wbb, etc.  Heaven forbid a few old trains become unfixable and have to go to the landfill.

The O-scale part of this hobby will continue on either way.  I'm well below the median age in this hobby and I'm confident that the best is yet to come, even if some trains can't be fixed.

It's not the trains being unfixable, it's the kind people the older techs are.

Gentlemen,

    Heck I am not worried about getting my trains fixed, we have 4 or 5 real good techs right here on the OGR, and they are all younger than me, Guns & GGG are high up on that list.  I do believe you are worrying way to much about nothing , relax and enjoy you BB status.  For me my O Gauge Trains are the icing on the cake, I have lived to retire free & well, have a belly full of food, and nobody shooting at me any more.  

Relax and enjoy your life & your Trains,

PCRR/Dave

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Martin H posted:
DennyM posted:

My biggest concern is not the hobby dying, but all the train techs who are getting older and eventually passing on. There is one Lionel tech here in Southwest Michigan, he's in his 60's and not in the best health. He also told me Lionel doesn't have tech classes anymore because of lack of enrollment. I don't know about MTH or any other company. I'm trying to learn how to do a lot of my own repairs, but these 'circuit board' trains are past my ability. For me mainly because of nerve damage from a accident.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

My thoughts are that the hobby doesn't need those people.  There are thousands of new trains manufactured every year by Lionel, MTH, Atlas, wbb, etc.  Heaven forbid a few old trains become unfixable and have to go to the landfill.

The O-scale part of this hobby will continue on either way.  I'm well below the median age in this hobby and I'm confident that the best is yet to come, even if some trains can't be fixed.

 

It's a good thing this is a moderated forum, otherwise I would be tempted to say what a selfish and clueless attitude you have.  How would you feel if you happened to be one of "those people?"

Your turn to be not needed will come soon enough.  In the meantime you might try to have a little compassion.

When you come right down to it the hobby doesn't "need" anybody, it's we who need the hobby.

Pete

As has been said, enjoy today.  We will have no control over what types of things will be modeled in the future. How many of us boomers play or played with toys from the 17th or 18th centuries.  With the way technology is going, we cannot even conceive of what modelers will be trying to recreate in 200 years.  

DennyM posted:

I know a lot of O gauge folks are older than the baby boom generation, but a lot of us are baby boomers. ...

My biggest concern is not the hobby dying, but all the train techs who are getting older and eventually passing on. There is one Lionel tech here in Southwest Michigan, he's in his 60's and not in the best health. He also told me Lionel doesn't have tech classes anymore because of lack of enrollment. I don't know about MTH or any other company. I'm trying to learn how to do a lot of my own repairs, but these 'circuit board' trains are past my ability...

What are your thoughts on the matter?

I place myself decidedly on the younger side of average around the hobby at 33. 

As a younger guy, especially in my 20's, being into O gauge was tough.  Younger folks are generally treated with disdain by the older folks in hobby shops, clubs and shows, and this is not very good for getting folk in their 20's to want to work on model trains, as few as there already are.   (this ties in below, considering the HUGE number of folks in the 15-25 year old demographic that are really into hobby electronics these days) I've walked into the hobby shop with $2000 ready to spend when I was 21, got treated like a 6 year old when I asked some questions, and me and my 2 grand walked back out again.  Ended up using it to stroke the motor in my mustang instead.  


 

Simply saying lack of enrollment is a bit misleading, I think.    I would guess it has more to do with the fact that so many of the techs are older guys.  20 years ago it was pretty simple to repair an engine... there was really not a lot to them.  In truth, there is not a lot to them in modern engines either, but it seems a lot of these 'techs' out there do not want anything to do with the electronics.  Only 1 of 3 local shops will even look at modern engines, and then only for simple problems.  When you look at the forum, I can think of 2 guys that are known for repairing these engines.  There are obviously more than 2, but they are the go-to guys.  Pretty small ratio here of folks that know what to do with the electronics.  I expect the enrollment issue is more due to folks just not wanting to learn how to fix the new engines than anything.  

As a second thing, it is my understanding that you must be sponsored by a lionel dealer/hobby shop in order to take the class if/when it is offered.  Not a lot of young folks working in the train department in hobby shops lately.  I would bet there would be quite a bit more interest in these classes if they could be taken by folks not connected to a hobby shop.  I'd take one if the timing was right and as a member of the general public I was allowed.  

As to the general feeling of throwing away locomotives with modern electronics, the general processes for repairing them is the same as for postwar locomotives, and in many cases a lot simpler; There is not much that you need to pry apart or solder.  Got a bad e-unit in a post war engine?  Aside from taking the shell off, guess you have to unsolder about 4 wires, take out 2 screws and pull the thing out.  Pop in a new one and reverse the process.  On a new engine, got a bad DCDR?  open the shell, pop out a few little plugs, maybe a couple screws, and pull the board out.  Drop the new one in and reverse the process.  The actual process is pretty much the same.  I find our trains to be very similar to cars in this regard.  Sure the ones from the 60's were easy to work on... BUT you have to work on them to keep them running properly.  The modern ones need a couple of specialized tools to diagnose problems when you have them, but they need a whole lot less routine maintenance.  

When it comes to repairing modern engines at a component level, I've yet to see a board in these engines that your average tv-vcr repairman from 1985 could not repair. These things are really not very complex.  In the end, as with most modern devices, replacing entire boards is just easier and more cost effective, then component level repairs.  The tech in TMCC was obsolete when it came out in 1995, and the newest thing out there, LCS is based on 2.4GHz wifi that has been the standard for almost 20 years now.  and aside from the wifi interface has nothing that couldn't be done in the 70's as far as tech.  Cost and number of parts has gone down, but the tech is older than I am.  When it comes to finding someone that can fix the electronics, there may not be many hobby shop techs that know what they are doing, but there are tons of young people (and older folk as well) that are very interested in electronics and will have no trouble repairing the simple circuits used in things like Legacy engines, never mind finding someone just to plug a new board into a socket.  

I'll end with this, if anyone wants to toss any modern locomotive into a landfill if/when it stops working, please let me know.  I will pay the shipping to my house and even give you a couple bucks for your time, instead of having you throw it away.  

JGL

 

Our hobby is very diverse and has a lot of personalities in it. With that being said it does get a little harder to find experts that can fix something or answer a question. I would imagine there is a point in our lives where we are asking questions looking for the experts and do not realize that we ourselves have become the experts. Our hobby always provides us all learning opportunities and an escape from our real worlds. That is what I look for and I suspect many others do too.

For me it's just a hobby with toy trains. I didn't take up this hobby to find the second coming. I don't take this hobby seriously, only to have some fun with it. I'm retiring at the end of this year and looking forward to spending more time with my trains. I don't take anything for granted. If I should pass away tomorrow, I've had a wonderful life. That said, I have a life to live, and I'm not going to worry about whether the hobby is going to be there tomorrow.  Having fun and not worrying about the little things in life.

 

Craignor posted:

I was born is 1964, and I don't worry much about the future of the hobby.

I do all I can do to introduce the hobby to others, my children, my modular club, and my friends and coworkers, and that's all I can do.

My trains and layout I bought and built for my own enjoyment, partially for the kids, but when we are empty nesters I will still be running my trains and having a good time.

If new train production would stop today, I have more than enough trains to last the rest of my life.

 

Well said, Craig......I was born in 53.....I'm an empty nester already and running trains all the time....and I might add, the kids dog becomes your dog when all are gone......so Max became my constant train buddy!

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I have said it here before.....Max has become my electrical guru.....

Peter

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