Overland SD70ACe are here

That is a beauty...my oh my. 

Chris

I'm glad I didn't find too much that sparked my interest at the March Meet! Can't wait to get my CN unit. It'd be nice if Brian could produce some chassis to repower the MTH units...

CN_Hogger

Micheal,

That looks really nice, OMI did a nice job on those. It's good to see OMI putting out some O scale product again and probably with more detail than earlier releases. Hopefully the ES44 is next. This is a little pic list of what would be nice by OMI in O.

Travis

Wow!!!     The last time I saw something with that price tag on it was when my wife and I visited FAO Schwartz in NYC during Christmastime when Lionel had released the Allegheny.  The MSRP was around $1800 as I recall, but FAO had it on the floor for $2495.  

Those price-points are way, WAY out of my league for a locomotive -- especially for a basic diesel SD70ACE at that.  But I'm sure there's a market for those products if they continue to make them.

David

I almost balked at it due to the price. But I really wanted a great model of one of the locomotives I run at work. I think it will totally be worth it and I wish I could afford a couple more!

CN_Hogger

I am glad we have SUNSET who still makes things at a more reasonable price. I will never own a KEY, for sure.

Yves

Here are a few more teasers, most coming in the first batch...

 I wish you rich guys would stop showing me these.

Just look away Joe.....just look away....

MG are they road specific with the detailing?

 URRRggggg

  look away......

I got yelled at for buying more track!! How can you do this to me???????????

That CN is a M-2!!! Urrrrrrr

Mike those are very nice. I even see the UP, KCS and CN are isolated cabs which are oh so nice!! Can't wait to see these

yes. Key, MMW and Overland are in a league of their own.

But be advised that Sunset/3rd Rail does not use 'china' drives in their diesel engines, instead they have a very successful belt drive.

 I hope you guys know I'm joking. Again, I had an HO version and loved it, and that was plastic. I'm only jealous, and drooling. These are fine works of art. I can appreciate the work that goes in, especially now that I'm building one. If my income matched my tastes, I would be ordering these. I get into trouble getting 2 to 300$ engines.

 I had always hoped that I may obtain one someday. I keep buying more mass produced products and they fill my needs. It's fun to see what's out there. Maybe when I'm older, it will become a prized possession. I just got in too many G gauge ones and now I've got to pay for them. I need to focus. Pics like these make it tough.

Marty(t610),

My post wasn't meant to mislead you are anyone else. The pics I posted are my own wish list that I'm hoping will be made by OMI in the future, of course not all at one time. Yes most of the pics are HO models,except the BNSF H3 SD70mac and the BN SD70mac, which are O scale models that OMI produced in the mid to late 90's.

The OMI HO models are a good representation of what the O scale models would look like, with the difference being size(and price) with better details that you can see from farther away and appreciate more.

These SD70aces posted above should be OMG beautiful as OMI has improved their product with each subsequent production run.

Travis

Pitogo,

It would be great to see your CSX units running on the NYSME, and your impression of them.  If you create a video, I will be looking forward to that, or maybe taking a trip one day to watch them on the NYSME.

I have one CSX on pre-order, this new one will go with the other I bought on eBay a few years ago.

You and me both.  They will be awesome I hope.  My first modern brass diesels.  I have a long and heavy stack train for them.  It takes 3 units to pull the train around on the UCRR.  

Anyone receive the second notice yet?

Overland has emailed pickup notices for the SD70ACes.  As soon as  they are all paid for they can be shipped from Korea.

From cancellations Overland currently has several available @$2500.

These include one or two of

UP DRGW Heritage

UP SP Heritage

UP MP Heritage

UP MKT Heritage

UP

BNSF

CN

BHP

EMDX

If anyone is interested contact Overland.

There are actually more than 9 as there is more than one of a couple of liveries.

People that reserved them put down $300 per locomotive towards the purchase price 2 years ago and $500 about one year ago.  That money was sent to the manufacturer in Korea as progress payments.  The remainder is now due.

The number reserved is the number that were built.  They are sitting in Korea all finished.  Anything bought from any overseas manufacturer the importer pays in full the contract price before they leave the country.  That is true for Lionel, 3rd Rail/GGD, Atlas or Overland, etc.  Some importers collect deposits upon reservation some once the shipping notice is sent from the manufacturer and some when received.

Due to the losses last time by Overland with O scale they would not do any more O Scale without some risk mitigation of the up front and midpoint payments.

Whether or not those people who paid the $300/800 and subsequently cancel get any money back is between them and Overland.  My guess, and it is a rank guess, is that if other purchasers are found before Overland has to cough up the remainder to get them sent from Korea will get their payments back; otherwise not.

When that date is I do not know but probably less than 30 days or the manufacturer will freak out.

Does that answer the question?

I want several of them but can't make up my mind which ones and cannot afford all that I would like to get so if someone else would please get some that will reduce my choices hopefully down to the number I can afford.

Interesting, I have heard they are being delivered at the Indy meet this week by a midwest dealer to some of his customers.

No wonder OMI is having problems. I will not pay up front  for any model. I expect the importer to have them made and shipped to the USA. Once they are ready to ship to me, then I will pay. 

I refuse to front money for the importer. If OMI or any other importer does this then it is time for them to get out of the business. Leave it to somebody who has the finances to deal with problems, not the customers. 

David,

You have to understand though that for allowing the importer to use your money you do get a discount (at least in this case anyway, maybe others too).  I believe someone mentioned on this forum that the original price for these SD70ACe units was around $2100 ea. for those that had reservations and put down a deposit.  If you wanted to wait until they arrived stateside and didn't want to front the importer some money, the price is now $2495 according to the Overland site.  I guess the old cliché "Pay me now, or pay me later" applies .      

                  .

In terms of deposits, I don't think Overland is all that bad.  Consider Kohs 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 policy for their new Challenger that took 3+ years (about the same as these OMI SD70ACes).  I don't know what the original reservation price of the Kohs Challenger was so I don't know if there was an early reservation discount or not.  MMW has the same reservation/payment policy as Kohs for their proposed O Scale models.  Apparently, there are some Kohs Challengers left over due to some reservation holders backing out and the price is $5500, cash and carry . 

Scott

Austin, TX

This is an incredibly small market.  I suppose not many folks are getting wealthy doing this.  A purchaser has every right to wait and look at an object before committing to buy it, but on the other hand, an importer of small quantities like these is constrained.

There are folks who have literally lost their shirts on these kinds of deals.

I am delighted that such nice models are produced.  I am even more delighted that my own tastes and budget inclines toward the lower priced models.  More money for Avgas.

Concur.

I understand all to well but my point is I will not under any circumstance front my money for any importer. This includes the importer, dealer or the like. I buy their products, not invest in their business. 

I invest my money in the market and wait for the product to arrive. I can make more money  then their discount. 

Besides I can get any product I want once it arrives without over paying.

 I understand how it feels to put out some cash and then wait for something. However several engines have been cancelled for lack of interest. As an owner of several MTH scale wheeled SD70ACes and M-2s, and even scratch building a G scale one, I can appreciate the details of these works of art. My final bill for custom building an engine out of plastic, is getting absurd. I could have ordered one of these.

 I can't help staring at how finely detailed these are with even road specific additions. Take the CN, it has high marker lights for example. However this company wants payment, I hope you guys realize what an opportunity you're getting. It's almost like they're custom building engines to order. Wait a while, and they'll be gone. I wish I had preordered!

http://www.overlandmodels.com/showroom.php?scale=2#

That's beauty of hobbies.  You can go after or decline anything for any reasons you wish.  Me, I'd rather have and pay for, under Overlands rules, one of their SD70ACes than 5 of anything Lionel or MTH have ever made.  And that's about the price differential.

I want to try and keep Overland going in O Scale because I want some decent ES44s.  And if that only happens because I put up money up front that's OK, I trust Overland to do as I expect.  I do not trust others the same.  

So, by and large I would not put down money up front either.  So far I have been lucky enough to back out of things before CC charges were made from retailers like Charles Ro when what XYZ delivered was below my minimum expectation.

But, to each his own.  You spend your money your way and I'll spend mine my way.   

I made the money to pay for these in the market, it's why I am in the market.  I'm not King Midas.  My gold it a tool to get what I want not to have and to hold.  I put down $5K for a Tesla S and had to back out when the market did not come through when it was time to fish or cut bait.  c'est la vie.

You guys have it right for sure.  Those Overland models are truly spectacular models and done to perfection. Nothing further needed on that clarification to say the least.  The photos on their website show how well the craftsmanship has been done. I say it is at the 100% level.  You really have some spectacular models right there.  

According to Overlands newsletter a minimum of 3 units were required for each road variation wanted, they also stated these would be the last O scale models they would import.

Current production run are the operative words.  Lets see, I reserved a set of Key CZ cars in 2007 and cancelled them in 2009 when they were delayed yet another year.  And they were delivered?  Oh yeah, not yet.  I reserved a Key ATSF E1 AB set and what arrived was nothing like I expected, they were done as after 10 years of modifications instead of as delivered.  Because of the reservation charge my LHS had on Key I had the pleasure of loosing $200 selling an unopened box.  

If I wait till what, 2025 or later, Key "might" do ES44s.  No doubt the Key SD40-2 will be exquisite when they show up, if not cancelled because Midwestern got there first.  If someone commits to 2 years or less with a reservation charge I'm OK with that so long as I can trust that what I reserved is what I get.  Overland has maintained that trust with me for a decade.

When Overland took reservations they said to expect 18 months for delivery,  they are now 4 months late.  That, while annoying, is also miraculous, not even Lionel does any better.

This waiting till they get to it and get it right mantra only means they will arrive the day after I drop dead.