Pennsylvania R.R. Let's see them!

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Are those 3rd Rail models?

No, just stock Lionel units

@Bill Swatos posted:

OK, Mark, here she is pulling the FARR#5 consist I got her with. Turns out I had to shim up the motor to get the worm to engage perfectly with the drive gear, but now she runs better than my newer one. Actually she was featured in my last Boxcar Sunday post but I wanted to post here with a PRR-only consist:

I also made a few other "tweaks." If you want more details I can figure out how to email you. Apparently that info is in our profiles where others can find it.

Looking good, had a PW Turbine that had some shims, and the others didn't, email is on profile,

Picked this up on the TTML

September 29 in railroad history: Steubenville bridge
From: Joseph Lechner
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 03:58:08 PDT

Four companies built segments of what eventually became the Pennsylvania Railroad’s “Panhandle Route” from Pittsburgh to Columbus and Indianapolis.

The Pittsburgh and Steubenville Railroad (chartered March 24, 1849) was authorized to build west from the Monongahela River to the Virginia state line (West Virginia had not yet seceded from Virginia).  Later (April 1852), P&S received permission to bridge the Monongahela into Pittsburgh.

The Steubenville and Indiana Railroad (chartered February 24, 1848) began at Steubenville OH and built westward across the state.  By April 1855 its rails had reached Newark, approximately 125 miles total.

This left two crucial gaps in the intended route.

One 30-mile gap was the panhandle of Virginia (now West Virginia).  Powerful business interests in Wheeling opposed the granting of a charter, since the proposed railroad would bypass their city.  S&I’s president had been quietly buying tracts of land from 36 private owners.  In July 1853 he deeded these properties to P&S, enabling them to build a railroad across the panhandle without a charter.  The Edgington and Wells Railroadopened in July 1854.

The other obstacle was the Ohio River between Weirton and Steubenville.  In March 1860, the PRR-controlled Western Transportation Company chartered the Holliday's Cove Rail Road  to build a bridge, which opened on October 9, 1865.

That bridge was the second major project of a rising young civil engineer named Jacob Hays Linville (1825-1906), who co-founded the Keystone Bridge Company with Andrew Carnegie.  It consisted of four 235’ deck truss spans, a main 320’ through truss, and three 210’ deck trusses.  It would serve the PRR well for over six decades.  S&I, P&S and HCRR merged in 1868 to form the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati & St. Louis Railway, which in 1890 became part of the Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Chicago and St. Louis Railway.  PRR leased the PCC&StL in 1921.

                                                            1911 postcard

In the twentieth century, changes were made at Steubenville to accommodate heavier motive power, longer and more frequent trains.  Approach spans were rebuilt in 1909.  The main bridge was replaced in 1926.  New concrete piers were built, then new trusses were assembled over the existing spans.

The project was completed on this date in 1926, with only a seven-hour disruption of rail traffic.

                                                         bridgestunnels.com

The Steubenville Railroad Bridge is still standing, although Norfolk Southern no longer uses it for through traffic.  Conrail abandoned the Panhandle line between Weirton and Pittsburgh in 1992.  The Columbus & Ohio River Rail Road uses former Panhandle track between Columbus and Mingo Junction OH.

@PRRMiddleDivision posted:

No, just stock Lionel units

Neal,

Did your Lionel E7s come with the E6 pilot?  My original issue E7s did.  If so, what pilot did you use as a replacement?  Thanks.

@Bill Swatos posted:

Nice Aerotrain! First time I've seen one in action. Also nice GP38-2 (?) high-hood doubleheader!

Glad that you enjoyed the Areotrain. No they are GP-9s

@CAPPilot posted:

Neal,

Did your Lionel E7s come with the E6 pilot?  My original issue E7s did.  If so, what pilot did you use as a replacement?  Thanks.

Ron,

You are correct. My son replaced them with E-7 pilots. they looked awful with the E-6 pilots

@pennsyfan,

In your narrative above about the "Panhandle Route," several of your pictures do not display.  Would you please try to post them again?

Chuck

Still no photos.

@PRR1950 posted:

@pennsyfan,

In your narrative above about the "Panhandle Route," several of your pictures do not display.  Would you please try to post them again?

Chuck

I just updated my original post.

At the other end from "perfect scale" here are a couple of PRR trains mixing Post War, Pre War, and MPC.

Here is the Lionel (MPC) number 8141 from 1971 and the N5 PRR cabin car, # 2757 from 1941-42,

And here is MPC #8203 from 1972 along with N5 cabin car #2457 from 1945-47

These are two of the many "Columbia" or 2-4-2 type loco's Lionel MPC offered in its earliest days as the licensee for Lionel trains.  Both have electronic sound of steam, smoke,remote reverse and headlight and the same 4 wheel power unit.

Best wishes

Don

Thanks, @pennsyfan; always appreciate historical information.

Chuck

Anyone added passengers to the Railking cars and who is the maker, I did use some HO but they seem too small on the top area in the Vista Dome cars, I have a few sitting people that were my dad's they are a little bigger, any info or scale size you use would be helpful Thanks Mark

@Sitka posted:

Anyone added passengers to the Railking cars and who is the maker, I did use some HO but they seem too small on the top area in the Vista Dome cars, I have a few sitting people that were my dad's they are a little bigger, any info or scale size you use would be helpful Thanks Mark

Check RMT forum sponsor. He has cards of sitting people I think each card is 100 pieces.

E-8s looking for work.

@pennsyfan posted:

E-8s looking for work.

Nice looking 8, I had bought the Beepeople some years back and just bought on Ebay sitting/standing a month ago, those will go on the main sitting area, the only problem with Beepeople the heads hit the dome. thanks anyway. Mark

Mark,

just take them out to the woodshed and work their behinds with a file!

MTH K4 with a healthy PS-1 board along with Williams refurbished Passenger Cars with seats and LEDs.

@Sitka posted:

MTH K4 with a healthy PS-1 board along with Williams refurbished Passenger Cars with seats and LEDs.

Good photos on the passenger train Sitka. 

I like the color of the cars.   Mine are a tuscan color.

@Dallas Joseph posted:

Good photos on the passenger train Sitka. 

I like the color of the cars.   Mine are a tuscan color.

Thanks, Bought them some time ago and the wiring melted on all the cars, Then came across Scale City and bought some seats, Latrines, sinks and some lamps so did a repaint job and they came out pretty good. Thanks again Mark

@Sitka posted:

Thanks, Bought them some time ago and the wiring melted on all the cars, Then came across Scale City and bought some seats, Latrines, sinks and some lamps so did a repaint job and they came out pretty good. Thanks again Mark

Boy Mark , I've reconnected wires on a car or two over the years but I've never had to replace burned up wiring in passenger cars like you did.

Nice job.

@Dallas Joseph posted:

Boy Mark , I've reconnected wires on a car or two over the years but I've never had to replace burned up wiring in passenger cars like you did.

Nice job.

Guess why they were cheap when bought, Didn't take long for the fire dept to show up

MTH K-4 with Williams cars, Looked much clearer on the camera

@Sitka- Great video and loved the scenes of your layout.  How about some more pictures of that layout?

Best Wishes

Don

@Don McErlean posted:

@Sitka- Great video and loved the scenes of your layout.  How about some more pictures of that layout?

Best Wishes

Don

Can do, and put on this post Thanks Don

I just watched this 1946 PRR film, "Clear Track Ahead" on YouTube and it is fascinating. It must have been made in connection with the introduction of PRR's last new steam locomotive, the T1 Duplex. Some studio "vignettes" and interviews have been edited out. It's amazing how many of today's railroading innovations were developed by the PRR. This film may have been posted before, but here it is again for everyone who hasn't seen it before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiLIS2Sl29s

@GG1 4877 posted:

Speaking of turbines, I picked this up for a great price at auction. Wish I had the correct tender though.

If you can't find an original, the MPC-era tender is the same, except for the color (DGLE not black) and wiring, and there are more of those.

@Bill Swatos posted:

I just watched this 1946 PRR film, "Clear Track Ahead" on YouTube and it is fascinating. It must have been made in connection with the introduction of PRR's last new steam locomotive, the T1 Duplex. Some studio "vignettes" and interviews have been edited out. It's amazing how many of today's railroading innovations were developed by the PRR. This film may have been posted before, but here it is again for everyone who hasn't seen it before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiLIS2Sl29s

Good video Bill wtg

  Just another day on the Pennsy!

@Bill Swatos

Thanks for posting the video, I did see it before but  always enjoyable.

@pennsyfan posted:

@Bill Swatos

Thanks for posting the video, I did see it before but  always enjoyable.

Bob Great Video!! Nice looking layout!!

@Sitka posted:

Bob Great Video!! Nice looking layout!!

Thanks Bill, I agree with Don; I’d like to see more of your layout.

Some Pennsy shinning the rails,

@Sitka posted:

Some Pennsy shinning the rails,

Now THAT'S some highballin' iron! What a blast! More videos please, Mark!

Here's my new Williams PRR NW-2 in a cabin car hop. She looks pretty good and runs and pulls great now, but it took some doing. With Williams, I've found you can't usually run right out of the box. The drive train needs some extra lube starting with the motor bearings, then the worm and gear, and, finally, the spur gears and axles on the trucks. Then you need to ensure all the screws you DIDN'T remove for the lubing are properly tightened, especially the truck side frame screws. In this case, I also had to redo the front window glazing with thinner "frosted" plastic to fix the problem of the rear motor flywheel scraping against the thicker factory glazing. Then I had to figure out how to "frost" the rest of the cab windows to match AND so you wouldn't see the rear motor and flywheel through the clear factory glazing. I know it wouldn't be model railroading without "fixing" but I'm glad I got her for only $188 delivered from TW. It would have been very frustrating to have paid list price which is nearly $400.

Here's my A5 0-4-0 (K-line) spotting some cars.

Bob

@Bill Swatos posted:

Here's my new Williams PRR NW-2 in a cabin car hop. She looks pretty good and runs and pulls great now, but it took some doing. With Williams, I've found you can't usually run right out of the box. The drive train needs some extra lube starting with the motor bearings, then the worm and gear, and, finally, the spur gears and axles on the trucks. Then you need to ensure all the screws you DIDN'T remove for the lubing are properly tightened, especially the truck side frame screws. In this case, I also had to redo the front window glazing with thinner "frosted" plastic to fix the problem of the rear motor flywheel scraping against the thicker factory glazing. Then I had to figure out how to "frost" the rest of the cab windows to match AND so you wouldn't see the rear motor and flywheel through the clear factory glazing. I know it wouldn't be model railroading without "fixing" but I'm glad I got her for only $188 delivered from TW. It would have been very frustrating to have paid list price which is nearly $400.

I have an older Williams PRR NW-2 also. I wired the motors in series which greatly reduced the jack rabbit starts.

Bob

@RSJB18 posted:

Here's my A5 0-4-0 (K-line) spotting some cars.

Bob

Nice looking switcher, been watching them on ebay 0-4-0 and those 0-6-0 are sharp.

@Bill Swatos posted:

Here's my new Williams PRR NW-2 in a cabin car hop. She looks pretty good and runs and pulls great now, but it took some doing. With Williams, I've found you can't usually run right out of the box. The drive train needs some extra lube starting with the motor bearings, then the worm and gear, and, finally, the spur gears and axles on the trucks. Then you need to ensure all the screws you DIDN'T remove for the lubing are properly tightened, especially the truck side frame screws. In this case, I also had to redo the front window glazing with thinner "frosted" plastic to fix the problem of the rear motor flywheel scraping against the thicker factory glazing. Then I had to figure out how to "frost" the rest of the cab windows to match AND so you wouldn't see the rear motor and flywheel through the clear factory glazing. I know it wouldn't be model railroading without "fixing" but I'm glad I got her for only $188 delivered from TW. It would have been very frustrating to have paid list price which is nearly $400.

Nice job on the fixing, I like buying beat up locos that need new life and getting them back on the rails. Bought a Hodson 665 that's being degreased and getting ready for a good service and another 50 years of running. High balling you say that U36 was at about 14 volts looked slower in person the F3 about 14 and the MTH K4 was around 14 volts. The post war as they warm up seem to run faster. Bill that table is running out of room, now do you eat chow in between the boxcars and those engines?? Keep them coming guys nice photos all.

Mark, Shake a Veterans and active duty's member's hand

Here are two of my PRR finds at this falls York meet. The REA boxcar surprised me when I took it out of the box at home. It had die cast trucks and couplers. I was expecting plastic ones. And a Return to Johnston notice on the side. I’m always looking for Weaver cars with the return to label.

The 2 bay War Emergency hopper has painted trucks to match the body. I’m a sucker for painted trucks.

Well its a rainy, cold day here in Central Texas so I thought I might continue (see prior post) with my completely un-realistic PRR locomotives from my collection so here is a PRR "Beep" from RMT.

Best wishes to all

Don